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Andrew Sach: Up within the chariot, the prophet goes, leaving his successor to take care of God’s foes. Elisha is now the person with Elijah’s cloak. Elisha is now the water parter prophesying bloke. We’re anticipating the judgment to come back, as an alternative Elisha raises a Shunammite’s son. A poisoned stew is healed, the sons of prophets fed as Elisha multiplies 20 loaves of bread. However the assassins lastly arrive, none of God’s enemies is left alive.


Nancy Guthrie: Welcome to “Help Me Teach The Bible,” I’m Nancy Guthrie. “Help Me Teach The Bible” is a manufacturing of The Gospel Coalition sponsored by Crossway, a not-for-profit writer of the ESV Bible, Christian books, and tracts. Be taught extra at crossway.org. My visitor immediately is Reverend Dr. Andrew Sach who’s Pastor of Grace Church, Greenwich. Andrew, thanks for being prepared to, as soon as once more, assist us train the Bible.

Sach: Good to see you, Nancy. Completely happy New Yr.

Guthrie: Sure, we’re speaking on New Yr’s Day. We each are up early on New Yr’s Day to have this dialog. And, truthfully although, as I used to be awaking this morning, I believed, “What a great way to start my year having a conversation with an excellent Bible teacher about a great book of the Bible.” I imply, I actually can’t consider a greater approach to begin the yr. Now, inform us a bit bit about your historical past. So, you studied pure sciences on the College of Cambridge after which I see that you just bought a doctorate. What’s your doctorate in?

Sach:It’s in ears. Nicely, it’s how the mind processes the sign from the ears.

Guthrie: You may have a doctorate in that?

Sach: I spent three years of my life in a soundproof room listening to hundreds of clicks, mainly, yeah.

Sach: And also you’ve had plenty of ministry since then, how do you are feeling such as you use that schooling?

Sach: I truly bought transformed at college, in order that was step one in direction of ministry. So, my first yr at Cambridge once I turned a Christian, after which I regularly bought an increasing number of concerned in campus ministry. And in direction of the top of my doctorate, I used to be in all probability doing extra Bible educating than I used to be doing science, and that was the sign that it was time to make a change.

Guthrie:What did you suppose you had been going to do with that diploma?

Sach: I used to be all in favour of academia, I believed I is perhaps a lecturer or researcher, yeah. However then, different issues intervened and I used to be… I imply, I used to be very lucky, the Lord was type to me as a result of most of my experiments labored, which isn’t regular in doctorates. So, I simply had numerous spare time and so I used to be capable of do plenty of ministry due to that. However I spotted it wouldn’t all the time be like that, so.

Guthrie: Nicely, you had been at St. Helen’s Bishopsgate for some time and now you’re the Pastor at Grace Church, Greenwich. You’ve additionally written quite a lot of books. There’s a sequence of “Dig Deeper” books. The one which’s obtainable right here within the states is “Dig Deeper,” which was revealed by Inter-Varsity within the UK, however Crossway right here within the States, which is admittedly nearly primary Bible interpretation and educating abilities. Is that how you’d describe it? After which, I see you’ve completed another…you probably did “Dig Even Deeper: Unearthing Old Testament Treasure,” “Dig Deeper Into The Gospels,” and it’s my understanding you might be engaged on a “Dig Deeper” on the guide that we’re going to speak about immediately, 2 Kings.

Sach: That’s proper. Yeah. The titles get much less imaginative, so certainly one of my buddies mentioned finally the guide will probably be referred to as Rock Backside,however I’m planning one on 1 and a couple of Kings.

Guthrie:Okay, wonderful. And also you’ve been educating via 1 and a couple of Kings at your church over… You’ve, type of, come and gone from that two guide set, haven’t you?

Sach: Yeah, we have a tendency to try this. We attempt to work via complete books of the Bible, however after they’re lengthy books quite than giving the congregation kind of two years of two Kings. We do a block, after which we do one thing else, after which we return to it. So, I’ve nearly completed, I’ve bought a bit bit left. We’ll come again to it in 2020 for the final bit.

Guthrie:I suppose that brings up certainly one of quite a lot of challenges to educating 1 or 2 Kings, as you name it. I name it 1 and a couple of, however I’ll go along with 1 and a couple of since you’re my visitor immediately. So, that’s one of many challenges of educating 2 Kings, and oftentimes, I believe we train it with 1 Kings, is simply its size. So, your method has been to type of come and go from it. I suppose that’s one approach to take care of that problem.

Sach: Yeah. I believe it’s a bit like when folks watch Netflix sequence, and so they watch a season after which they pause and have to attend till the autumn for the following one to come back out. Then, you watch the following season, however you type of decide up the place you left off. We do it a bit like that. We did that for different books, and we did Romans, I believe, in 4 blocks. We’ve completed John’s gospel each fall, each autumn for the final 4 years, we do a block after which we come again to it the following yr. So, it simply means that you would be able to sort out the longer books of the Bible with out folks being utterly swamped. And should you had three months in or two months in, 1 and a couple of Kings is about proper.

Guthrie:What I like about that’s, you’re dedicated to protecting each a part of the textual content. You’re not going to hop, and skip, and leap to accommodate folks’s restricted power and a spotlight span towards a specific guide. However, you might be accommodating that humanness in your listeners that it will be difficult to take heed to that lengthy of a sequence in these two books week by week while you’re truly not going to be skipping sections of it.

Sach: Yeah. So, I believe you get the freshness while you come again to it and folks have type of missed it for some time, they’re prepared for a bit extra, however then after we begin getting weary of it, it’s time to change to one thing else. So, I believe once I was educating 1 Kings, I believe Andrew, my co-Pastor was educating Philippians. So, I’d do 4 on 1 Kings, he would do 4 on Philippians, I’d do 4 on 1 Kings, he would do 4 on Philippians. That type of factor.

Guthrie: What do you suppose among the different challenges are to the typical Bible instructor in regard to educating 2 Kings?

Sach: I believe educating narratives is a problem, we’ve to show it otherwise to how we train an epistle. I truly actually take pleasure in it as a result of all the illustrations are within the textual content. You don’t have to think about a narrative as an instance the textual content as a result of that is the story. And, I believe, should you can inform the story in your preaching, then it’s already partaking and thrilling in order that the writer impressed by the Holy Spirit is a literary genius, and sometimes, there’s a shock or a twist, and this little playful… I imply, so, I believe 1 and a couple of Kings could be very amusing, I believe it’s speculated to be humorous. And all of that’s truly there within the textual content, however the problem is to… I suppose, should you had been simply to show it right into a doctrinal sermon, you may destroy the story. The thought is, there’s a doctrine there, there’s some trait that’s being taught, however it’s being taught by the automobile of the story. And to chop with the story, to run with the story, and significantly to attempt to seize the suspense of the story, to not give away the punchline too early however to attend till the writer reveals it. These sorts of issues.

Guthrie:I’d suppose it’s additionally a problem, there are elements of it which might be very repetitive. That will be a problem, week by week, folks considering, “Okay, I’ve heard this before.” Though there are slight variations, there’s plenty of repetitiveness to this guide.

Sach: Yeah. And I believe the writer himself accelerates and slows down and I believe we must always do the identical. So, for instance, in the midst of each 1 and a couple of Kings, you get an entire run of various reigns very, in a short time. So, in chapters 13, 14, 15, 16, you simply rattle via masses and a great deal of completely different kings, one after the opposite. And I believe that’s speculated to be quick ahead, have a look at them extra rapidly collectively. So, you don’t wish to take a sermon on every of the small Kings, that basically would kill your congregation, however quite velocity up. And I believe the purpose there’s, examine them, see what’s repeated. So, I truly did all of chapters 14 and 15 in a single sermon, and the purpose was that examine the… Nicely, it was, what’s the downward spiral because the Kings of Israel and Judah worsen, and worse, and worse? However, as I say, to take them individually could be a mistake. Whereas different factors, the writer actually slows down, so Hezekiah, he will get an entire part to himself as a result of he’s essential. So, you wish to do Hezekiah in all probability in two or three sermons, whereas Shallum, Menahem, Pekahiah, Pekah, they don’t deserve a sermon every.

Guthrie: You referred to as your sequence God’s Superheroes.

Sach: That’s what we referred to as the part of the guide that was coping with Elijah and Elisha.

Guthrie:Okay. Why?

Sach: Nicely, if I used to be on the Marvel board and a Christian, I’d say, “It’s about time we made the Elijah, Elisha films, the movies.” They usually’re incredible. In 1 and a couple of Kings, normally the main focus is on the king. So, King Solomon will get the primary chunk of 1 Kings after which the large kings in 2 Kings are folks like Hezekiah and Josiah. However, on this specific center of the books, the top of 1 Kings, the start of two Kings, the main focus isn’t on the king however is on the prophet. Elijah and Elisha grow to be the middle figures.

Guthrie: They’re interacting with kings however the focus is on their ministry and what they’re doing?

Sach: Yeah. And I believe the actually attention-grabbing factor is that they arrive within the… Nicely, it is a large difficulty, truly, for understanding the entire guide. The dominion of Israel splits in half after the reign of Solomon due to his idolatry. And there’s a civil struggle, and Jeroboam leads a revolt, and Israel breaks off from Judah. After which, you get the 2 tales aspect by aspect, so typically the writer is specializing in Israel, typically the writer is specializing in Judah.

Guthrie:Yeah. See, I believe you’re hitting on the opposite factor that makes this guide actually complicated. I take into consideration, for many of my life, I imply, I grew up very saturated within the Bible, however I’d be embarrassed so that you can understand how late it was that I actually understood this divided kingdom enterprise when it comes to the historic timeline. Due to this fact, the distinction once I’m studying books like 1 and a couple of Kings, the differentiation between Israel and Judah, to comply with that you just’re going backwards and forwards from North and South is difficult as a reader, and I believe, as a instructor, there’s additionally an enormous problem there.

Sach: Yeah, it’s difficult. And, the 2 kingdoms are fairly completely different. So, the North, Israel is within the North, it’s complicated as a result of, in fact, Israel is the title for the entire nation earlier than the cut up after which it turns into the title for the North, Israel is worse than Judah. There’s two causes for that, as a result of the road of David, so God’s promise in 2 Samuel 7 that there would all the time be a King on David’s throne in his line perpetually, the succession of Kings within the line of David are within the South. So, the Kings of Judah are all descended from David, however within the North there isn’t any reliable succession.

So, folks simply seize energy, they amass a military and invade, and it modifications between completely different tribes on a regular basis. That’s one distinction, the opposite distinction is Jerusalem and the temple is within the South, and that’s the middle of the place the regulation is, that’s the middle of orthodox worship. Whereas proper from the start within the North, you bear in mind in 1 Kings, King Jeroboam I, he builds these golden calf shrines down in Bethel, and so they grow to be a middle of idolatry, and he units up his personal priesthood. And so, right through 1 and a couple of Kings, we see that Israel is worse than Judah, however the tragedy of two Kings is Judah goes the identical method in the long run. So, it’s as if Israel slides downhill very quick after which Judah is sliding downhill a bit extra slowly however going the identical method.

Guthrie: So, I listened via quite a lot of your sermons on 2 Kings and I wrote down quite a lot of issues that had been, I believed, distinctives, particularly of perhaps even your first sermon in your 2 Kings sequence, so on 2 Kings 2. And, should you don’t thoughts, I simply wish to stroll via a few of these issues as a result of I felt like they had been actually exemplary. You already know, we hear somebody and we predict, “Wow, that was really clear, that held my interest, it also moved me, it challenged me, it got to Christ.” And we perhaps hear another person do this and we predict, “Wow, that’s what I want to do.” So, I simply wish to attempt to break down among the methods you probably did that, and perhaps you possibly can speak to us a bit bit about among the decisions you made and what triggered you to try this.

All proper. One of many first issues that I seen you probably did in your 2 Kings 2 sermon. You simply began proper in speaking about watching a tv present “Line of Duty,” your Netflix reference. You used one thing that you just knew the folks in your congregation might completely relate to, this concept of ending a season and also you’re ready for the following season to come back. It triggered me to be, “Okay, I’m excited to see what’s going to happen in this new season.”

Sach: Yeah. Yeah.

Guthrie:Then as you dove in, you learn the textual content. Your studying was not flat, it was dramatic. The place the textual content was humorous or the place the textual content was interactive, you had been type of humorous or interactive. I assume I simply suppose so many lecturers simply can learn the textual content in such a flat method, and it looks as if, particularly in narrative, you simply can’t afford to try this.

Sach: I believe it’s actually laborious to learn it except you perceive it nicely as nicely. So, we all the time have two readings in our providers and certainly one of them is that type of supportive studying, it is perhaps from the New Testomony if we’re doing an Outdated Testomony guide. However, the studying that we’re going to evangelise on is normally the preacher that reads it as a result of you realize the place the jokes are and the place the suspense is since you’ve understood it. I believe it’s uncommon in our church buildings to have the preacher doing the studying, however we predict that’s a extremely helpful factor.

Guthrie:You may learn the sections which might be going to have import later. You may learn them in such a method it’s going to catch their consideration a bit bit extra as a result of you realize the place you’re going.

Sach: Sure. We did an train, truly. I used to be attempting to do an train with folks at St. Helen’s Bishopsgate on coaching readers, and it’s fairly enjoyable. So, I bought folks to learn a sentence and to attempt to put the emphasis on a special phrase every time. So, you may take…I imply, you are taking any sentence, however it’s superb how a lot you possibly can convey by your intonation. For instance, I’m studying 2 Kings 2:15, and I say, “Why don’t you read it where you emphasize that Jericho is the important thing?” So, you learn, “Now, when the sons of the prophets who had been at Jericho noticed him reverse them, they mentioned…” Or you possibly can learn it, while you say it’s the sons of the prophets that’s a major factor, “Now, when the sons of the prophets who had been at Jericho noticed him reverse them…” So, you possibly can resolve, and, in fact, you need to have the ability to make significant emphases, however solely the preacher or solely the one who studied it’ll know what the significant emphases are.

Guthrie:As you started this sermon, you probably did the dramatic studying of the textual content, however then, instantly after studying the textual content, you posed a query. Your query was, how do we all know that Jesus is the savior choose? Now, which may not be probably the most pure query folks would assume after you learn this very dramatic textual content in 2 Kings. So, my thought was, “Okay, you’ve obviously studied this text and you know where you’re headed, and so, at the very beginning you’re stating a question that’s going to, in a sense, set it up for where you’re headed and what you’re going to deliver because you want them to be thinking about that question all the way through.” Would that be an correct description of why you’d have completed that?

Sach: Yeah. And somebody mentioned to me, “You want to ask the question that the sermon is going to answer, and it has to be a question that people care about.” So, if I simply mentioned, “Now, here is our question, what is 2 Kings 2 about?” And, some folks suppose, “I don’t care.” I imply, I assume a mature Christian cares however not everyone cares. Whereas, should you can present someone, it is a query that you just want to learn about and this Pastor goes to reply it for us. Hopefully, you’ve no less than grabbed folks’s consideration for the following 10 minutes or so.

Guthrie: Is that just about your go-to type or format for a message, that you just do have this place you’re going, and that as you’re fascinated by the way you started, you’re going to learn the textual content. And that the very first thing you’re going to go to is, how do I set it as much as get to that query I’m going to reply?

Sach: Yeah, that may be the conventional methodology, yeah. And so, truly, your introduction comes final in your preparation. So, you spend on a regular basis figuring out the place you get to after which solely then are you able to write the start. So, I’d normally write the introduction final.

Guthrie: Yeah. That’s very often the case for me too. Yeah, typically I write the conclusion earlier than I’ve even put collectively the message as a result of it serves as a information and it helps me maintain from going off on tangents for one factor if it’s not going to serve attending to that time, however it helps me to get there. All proper, so then you definately offered Elisha succeeding Elijah, and proper there originally, you inform us that it’s going to transform a prediction of John the Baptist, type of, turning over his ministry or being succeeded by Jesus. And that there’s a robust proof that Jesus is God’s Savior Choose. That’s introducing one thing when we’ve barely gotten into the textual content but could be very foundational about the place you’re going, and one thing that I’d think about 90% of your viewers had by no means heard earlier than.

Sach: I’ll let you know my working on this. Let’s take the opposite method round, let’s begin with 2 Kings 2 and say what’s it about. So, it’s a succession narrative the place Elijah is taken as much as heaven in a chariot and Elisha is proven to be his true successor. So, what’s the level of the sermon? The purpose is, Elisha actually is the true successor of Elijah. And it appears that evidently plenty of the main points of the chapter are about that, so the truth that Elijah elements the waters of the Jordan and goes throughout after which Elisha taking on his cloak, elements the waters of the Jordan that goes again throughout. And then you definately suppose, “Oh, yeah. Okay, so he definitely is the successor.”

After which, there’s some skeptics who weren’t fairly persuaded after which finally they get persuaded. However, as a degree for a Christian viewers, proper, so now we wish everyone to be actually, actually positive that Elisha actually is the successor to Elijah, and also you’re nonetheless considering, “Okay, but why do I care?” One of many actually fascinating issues concerning the Elijah-Elisha story is that it’s, I believe, one of many clearest locations of typology within the Outdated Testomony. So, locations the place one story foreshadows a later story, and I believe in terribly some ways, John the Baptist is the success of Elijah and subsequently Jesus is the success of Elisha. And simply as Elijah fingers over to Elisha, so John the Baptist fingers over to Jesus in a extremely, actually related method.

Guthrie: And the primary half of that, I believe, is extra acquainted to folks than the second half simply because there was a lot Outdated Testomony and even New Testomony making clear that John the Baptist is fulfilling the ministry of Elijah, however it’s that subsequent step of typology that I believe most individuals usually are not aware of the connection between Elijah, Elisha, after which John the Baptist and Jesus, however that may be new to folks.

Sach: Yeah. I assume that’s true. Elisha might be much less well-known than Elijah as a result of he’s not talked about as usually in the remainder of the Bible. However I believe that it’s as a result of Elisha is the Jesus character. So, one of many issues I stored saying via the sequence was, Elisha is the Christ determine within the guide, he’s the foreshadowing of Christ. He’s truly even bought the identical title, so Elisha means God saves simply as Yeshua means He all the time saves. So, he’s Jesus popping up upfront foreshadowed within the Outdated Testomony. And I needed folks to know that right away as a result of I believed the query of, is Jesus the true factor? That’s the query all of us care about. However, truly, it’s associated to the query of, is Elisha the true factor?

Guthrie: You’re speaking about Elisha because the one who saves. All through your sequence, you name Elisha an murderer?

Sach: Sure.

Guthrie: Why?

Sach: Nicely, it’s due to the way in which that Elisha is… (I all the time get the 2 confused, I’ve to pronounce it emphatically.)

Guthrie: I do too.

Sach: Elisha is launched again in 1 Kings 19, and it’s the well-known passage the place Elijah could be very depressed as a result of the nation hasn’t repented. It’s simply after the fantastic showdown on Mount Carmel the place the prophets of Baal are defeated and everybody cries out, “The Lord is God, the Lord is God.” However, Ahab and Jezebel, the King and Queen, they didn’t repent, and Elijah realizes that except the monarchy returns to the Lord, then the nation is not going to return to the Lord. One of many issues we maintain seeing in 1 and a couple of Kings is what the king does is what the folks do, and a nasty king means an apostate folks.

So, Elijah could be very depressed that the folks haven’t repented or that the king and queen haven’t repented, and he will get despatched to Mount Sinai. And it’s the passage with the hearth, and the earthquake, and the wind, after which the nonetheless small voice. After which God says to Elijah, and that is the bit that individuals, I believe, overlook about that chapter. After the nonetheless small voice, God says to Elijah, “Go and send the three…” and I name them the three assassins, so Hazael King of Syria, Jehu King of Israel, and Elisha the brand new prophet to succeed Elijah are to kill everyone. They’re going to deliver God’s judgment towards His apostate folks. “There will be a remnant,” he says 7,000 who haven’t bowed the knee to Baal, however the three characters who’re going to do the destruction: Hazael, Jehu, and Elisha.

So, the primary time we meet Elisha again in 1 Kings, we’re anticipating him bringing destruction and judgment. The actual shock is that when Elisha exhibits up, he doesn’t do very a lot killing folks. He does a bit bit and there’s the well-known passage with the she bears that get referred to as down and kill the younger males. He does a little bit of judging, that shouldn’t shock us, we’re anticipating him to be the Choose. The actually shocking factor is that he does a lot saving and rescuing. So the one who’s introduced because the Choose comes and brings salvation. And, while you mirror on that, you understand, truly, that’s precisely the identical because the Lord Jesus. So, we’re used to Jesus being a savior, however lots of the passages concerning the coming of the Messiah within the Outdated Testomony, you suppose when the Messiah comes, he’s going to come back and be the Choose. And Jesus in fact would be the Choose when he comes on the final day, however the Choose first comes as a savior. So, that’s why I name Elisha the savior choose, the one who’s going to guage however first saves, identical to Jesus goes to guage however first saves.

Guthrie: I simply completed a guide that’ll be popping out this spring referred to as Saints and Scoundrels within the Story of Jesus. And, the primary chapter is on John the Baptist. My thought of John the Baptist is, after he’s been the one to even acknowledge Jesus within the womb, he leaps for pleasure when Mary’s presence is there, and he’s the one who acknowledges Jesus, “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” And, but, there he’s in jail, and he sends his disciples to Jesus, “Are you the one or should we be looking for another?”

As I checked out it, it appeared to me that John had so immersed himself within the Isaiah scriptures about who the Messiah could be, and that the heavy be aware to him was on judgment. That’s why he’s all the time speaking about hearth, and an ax to the foundation, and all of that. And so, it is smart that Jesus responds to him utilizing a kind of Isaiah scriptures, however drawing out the half about how he’ll heal, and trigger the lame to stroll, and produce excellent news to the poor and the captive, these issues. Having that in my thoughts after which listening to what you mentioned, it simply so appeared to suit collectively that to see Elijah and Elisha is to see that very same factor, this choose who involves do miracles to avoid wasting. And but He’ll come to guage.

Sach: You’re proper. It’s fairly clear that John the Baptist is a success of Elijah. I imply, he wears the identical outfit. So, I all the time say to folks, “If I turned up at your house wearing a blue leotard with my underwear on the outside, with a big yellow and red letter S on the front, you’d say, ‘Why, have you got a Superman costume?’” However when John the Baptist exhibits up with a camel’s hair cloak and leather-based belt, they suppose, “Oh, why are you wearing the Elijah costume?” As a result of that was 2 Kings 1:8, that was what Elijah was well-known for carrying. So, that’s fairly clear, however then Elijah fingers over to Elisha on the River Jordan, and the spirit of Elijah involves relaxation on Elisha, and that’s evidenced. John the Baptist fingers over to Jesus on the River Jordan, and the Holy Spirit comes on him like a dove. Elisha has the title, God Saves, Jesus has the title The Lord Saves. Elisha, even his miracles, so he multiplies bread to feed a crowd that’s too giant for the quantity of meals that they’ve bought and there’s leftovers [crosstalk].

Guthrie: There’s leftovers, these sorts of particulars, oh my goodness.

Sach: The main points, yeah. So, God has clearly arrange historical past in order that we get the Jesus story upfront in miniature right here after which we see it once more.

Guthrie: One other factor I famous in your educating is that as a result of we’re as soon as once more coping with large sections of textual content that depend on issues which have come earlier than, and also you’re recognizing that those that you’re educating that day, perhaps they weren’t there while you taught 1 Kings or a earlier message. And so, you need to repeatedly embrace concise summaries of issues that occur upfront. I believe that’s truly a ability that we as lecturers must develop. I’ll discover typically, and I believe, “Okay, I’m going to go to the text, and I’m going to read these sections of text that apply to that.”

However then I’ll get to a degree in my preparation that I believe, “That’s going to be too complicated. I want people I’m teaching to be in the text and see where I’m getting it, that I’m not just making it up.” And, for them to develop with the ability to discover issues within the Bible via that type of factor. And, but, I spotted as I used to be listening to you, should you had had folks flipping backwards and forwards, and studying large sections of textual content to grasp among the parts of the story that they wanted to grasp and the historical past to get what you had been speaking, that may have been terribly complicated to your listeners and made your speak so extremely lengthy.

Sach: Yeah. Yeah, I believe you wish to be actually selective and suppose, “What are the essential flashbacks?” And we’ve a handout that we give to the congregation, and I’ll usually use that to attempt to make… So, I’ll truly write, “Flashback” and I’ll insert the verses there so folks don’t even have to show their Bible. So, everybody has simply bought one passage open which is the passage we’re learning, however the flashback passages, I’ll placed on the handout.

Guthrie: The textual content or your abstract of it?

Sach: The textual content, however as small as doable. So, I attempt to suppose, “If I had to really choose just two sentences that are necessary for the flashback, what are they going to be?” And I’ll print them out. I believe, should you’re in a sermon the place you need to flip again and ahead, folks get misplaced. And particularly the newcomer to church, you realize, the non-Christian, he’s walked in for the primary time, it’s simply overwhelming. Whereas, should you’ve bought one passage after which there’s a sheet that claims, “Here’s two flashbacks,” and the verses are proper there. It’s simply attempting to make that much less complicated and simpler.

Guthrie: So, one thing else you had in your sheet for this message in 2 Kings 2 was, you weren’t solely evaluating Elijah and Elisha to John the Baptist and Jesus, you went additional again. There’s a bigger sample right here within the scriptures, there’s additionally Moses and Joshua. And, you used what you set in your handout to assist folks course of that. So, speak to us concerning the comparability after which what you selected to place in writing for them to assist them with that.

Sach: I like diagrams simply because my background is in science.

Guthrie: I do too.

Sach: So, yeah. So, Moses fingers over to Joshua, identical to Elijah fingers over to Elisha, identical to John the Baptist fingers over to Jesus. So, you’ve bought three successions and so they all line up. Moses is a bit like Elijah, is a bit like John the Baptist. Joshua is a bit like Elisha, is a bit like Jesus. And there’s simply so many various connections between them it’s loopy. How are you aware that Joshua is the successor to Moses? Nicely, as a result of certainly one of Moses’s most well-known acts is, he walks as much as the Purple Sea, holds up his employees, and it elements. That’s a signature transfer for Moses. So, Joshua goes to the River Jordan, holds up his stick and it elements. And, you suppose, “Uh, this Joshua guy, he must be the new Moses.” Nicely, in fact, that’s precisely the identical method as Elijah fingers over to Elisha, by parting the water, by parting the water. And it’s on the similar water, on the similar river Jordan that John the Baptist fingers over to Jesus.

One of many issues I really like about typology is, you couldn’t make it up, and solely a God who’s in command of historical past over a thousand years can do it. So, going again to that sermon, I mentioned, how do we all know Jesus is the true savior choose? What sort of proof can we go for to steer folks that we must always take Jesus severely? I imply, Christian expertise, He’s modified my life and that’s true. Eye witness proof, Jesus actually raised from the lifeless, the tomb was empty and so forth, that’s true. However I believe one of many large ones on the Bible’s personal phrases is success, the truth that Jesus precisely matches the shadow, that he ticks all the containers, all the completely different prophecies come collectively.

And the New Testomony makes numerous that, I imply, even the apostles of their preaching, they make plenty of that. So, Peter, on the day of Pentecost attempting to steer the crowds that Jesus actually is the Christ, he does it by success. And I believe we have a tendency not to try this, and possibly it’s as a result of our tradition doesn’t know the Outdated Testomony very nicely. I imply, what’s the purpose in telling folks that Jesus fulfilled scriptures that they don’t know. However I believe it’s fantastic while you see it, you suppose, “Only God could line up history to match exactly the shadow and their fulfillment in this way.”

Guthrie: While you had been preaching this message, you referred to rising up, that you’d see and be amazed by a prophecy, one thing like in Micah, that the Messiah was going to be born in Bethlehem. And I so associated with that as a result of I believe my rising up, that’s just about the one method I understood success of the Outdated Testomony, needed to do with these sorts of particular prophecies. You’re speaking a few very completely different type of success, however that is the type of success that, no less than for me, for many of my life, was an enormous hole in my understanding of the Bible. That is the half that has been lacking, was lacking for a lot of my life, and subsequently, it’s the half that thrills me to develop in my understanding of, and wish to talk to different folks. And, I’m unsure why it’s much more highly effective to me than that different type of prophecy, I imply, we want all of them. However this success of those patterns, and folks, occasions, they’re so deeply convincing that the Bible has one divine writer. And that He’s not solely the divine writer of the Bible, He’s the sovereign God over historical past.

Sach: Yeah, proper.

Guthrie: My quantity seven of my checklist of 9 of stuff you did. You had been very useful in serving to your listeners to grasp the import of geographic and historic references which may not have jumped out to them instantly within the textual content. Not solely are we not very biblical literate concerning the historical past of the Outdated Testomony, I believe we’re very geographically challenged. So usually, mentions within the Bible of particular cities, cities, places, they’re simply interchangeable as a result of perhaps we don’t have a psychological image of the geography and we don’t perceive these items in historical past.

So, I seen that while you taught 2 Kings 2, and a pair references come up, the truth is, you learn them in your pattern studying earlier. There’s the point out of Jericho on this passage, and there’s the point out of Bethel, after which there’s this point out of 50 males of the corporate of the prophets. Now, for lots of us, we’d learn the textual content and simply type of run over these, however as a instructor, you helped to deliver out why these are important. And they might have been important extra more likely to the unique readers, however they aren’t as a lot to us. So, speak to us a bit bit about that.

Sach: Yeah, thanks. Nicely, firstly, I’d simply encourage folks, you suppose, “How would I find this?” And I believe the reply is simply, should you preach the entire guide over a few years, you begin to be taught these issues. So, I wouldn’t have recognized that Jericho is admittedly important, however as a result of I preached a sermon on 1 Kings 16 the place the writer talks a few man referred to as Hiel who rebuilds Jericho, and these horrible… However he leaves two of his sons within the course of, he leaves his firstborn son and his youngest son. After which, the writer in 1 Kings tells you, this fulfills the promise made by Joshua. Now, I’d forgotten about that promise made to Joshua, however as a result of I used to be learning 1 Kings 16, the writer jogged my memory, and I went trying and I discovered it in Joshua 6. After the well-known bit about Jericho, you realize, the place they stroll round it for seven days, and play the trumpets, and the partitions fall down, and Canaan is conquered by the Israelites. Joshua pronounces a curse on anybody who rebuilds the town of Jericho, and he says particularly, “He’ll lay its foundations at the cost of his firstborn son and he’ll set up its gates at the cost of his youngest son.”

Anyway, 1 Kings 16, this man referred to as Hiel, rebuilds Jericho. I don’t know whether or not he’s unaware of this promise or… You already know, Israel has grow to be so pagan they don’t even know the books of the Outdated Testomony which might be already round like Joshua. Anyway, he rebuilds it and he leaves two of his son. Now, as a result of I’ve studied that, I now know that, and I learn Bethel… Oh, sorry, I learn Jericho. Oh, Jericho could be very important as a result of Jericho is the place of curse, and but, Jericho is the place Elisha saves folks. That’s very shocking, you count on Jericho to be the place that he would do his judging. And perhaps much more necessary that the Bethel folks discover so troublesome to learn when Elisha calls down bears to maul these youths. And, folks all the time giggle at me about it as a result of I’m fairly follicly-challenged myself.

We perceive, it’s not simply he’s misusing his supernatural powers as a result of he’s aggravated at someone mocking his receding hairline, these individuals are at Bethel. Now, once more, if we all know 1 Kings, we all know Bethel is the place that Jeroboam I arrange the pretend shrine to the calf god down in Bethel, the 2 golden calves, and it was the very coronary heart of pagan false worship. And the very fact they’re mocking him isn’t simply because they don’t like bald males, it’s as a result of they’re so contempt for God’s true prophet. So, listed here are the idolaters displaying disdain for the one who has are available in God’s title, and they also die. And, that’s why…and it actually helps to know, this isn’t simply, he will get offended, he’s bought powers, he makes use of them simply to crash these boys, no, that is God’s judgment towards apostasy.

Guthrie: I believe that’s an ideal instance of how these geographic references give us perception within the textual content, as a result of yeah, that chapter ends with him calling judgment on them and also you’re identical to, “Wow, that seems harsh and out of the blue.” However I’m getting the concept from you that understanding Bethel as this place of idolatry due to that place’s historical past, that was type of the important thing that unlocked your capacity to grasp what was occurring there.

Sach: Yeah. Sure, the factor is, the writer all the time offers you the important thing as nicely. So, this isn’t simply I do know masses about geography and immediately understand. It’s, should you learn 1 Kings, he’s speaking loads about Bethel and he’s speaking about Jericho. So, the writer is his personal finest commentator. However the bother is, usually we learn simply the chapter for our sermons, should you simply learn 2 Kings 2, you’d by no means see that, however should you’ve labored your method via 1 Kings, then you definately bear in mind, “Oh, you know, I remember he made a big thing about Jericho, and there’s a big thing about Bethel.” So, it’s simply context is the assistance, the writer has already advised us the reply.

Guthrie: How concerning the reference to 50 males of the corporate of the prophets?

Sach: Yeah, the quantity 50 comes up within the first chapter of two Kings, and it’s a really amusing chapter, it’s a really humorous chapter. It’s all a few very pointless try and overturn God’s Phrase. So, a King referred to as Ahaziah will get a prophecy, he doesn’t prefer it and it comes true anyway. And he sends…he wastes Three delegations of 50 troopers in a wholly futile try and query God’s Phrase. So, presumably, that quantity 50 is in your thoughts, you suppose, “50 stands for the pointless doubt in God’s word.” God’s phrase goes to come back true. And, there’s simply that little echo, the quantity 50 has that connotation from chapter one.

Guthrie: And so, how did you apply that while you noticed these 50 males within the firm of the prophets?

Sach: I believe the entire level of the chapter is to substantiate that Elisha is the true successor to Elijah, that’s the primary thought. However there’s this little bit on the finish of the chapter the place some skeptics aren’t positive and so they go all over the place looking for Elijah, and Elisha says, “Look, you don’t need to find Elijah because I’m here now, I’m his successor, he’s gone up to heaven.” They mentioned, “Yeah, whatever, we’re just going to go and check.” And the very fact there are 50 of them who search around, I believe, once more stands for a pointless doubt, a silly doubt in what God’s completed. Pointless opposition to God’s phrases, 50 males, chapter 1. Pointless doubt in Elisha’s legitimacy, 50 males chapter 2.

Guthrie: Nicely, the following factor on my checklist that I seen out of your educating is, as I listened to fairly a couple of of the sermons, you all the time have a repeated clear assertion of each the purpose and utility of the textual content. I’m assuming that you just, in your examine, you got here to, “Okay, this is going to be my main point and application of the text.” However, I assume I discover, typically lecturers, perhaps even of their preparation, they arrive to that, however it’s not acknowledged both clearly or repeatedly in such a method that those that sit below the educating, that after they depart and someone says, “Well, what was the message about today?” That they might say, “The message was X.” In order that, it’s not essentially communicated in method they’ll seize it and maintain onto it.

Let me simply point out a few… You may inform me if I understood your predominant level, if it bought throughout to me on a couple of of them. In 2 Kings 3, you made this assertion, “We’re expecting judgment, but instead receive salvation. The judge is the one who brings rescue.” So, I’d’ve come away fascinated by that. 2 Kings 4, made this assertion, “In a world under judgment, the safest place to be is sheltered with the one bringing God’s judgment.” Clear. 2 Kings 5, it was a message on Naaman. And also you titled it in a really provocative method, can human traffickers be saved? So, that in itself, that you just’re going to name Naaman who’s bought a slave lady that he’s taken away from Israel and name him a human trafficker, that was a “wow” to me. Though, you didn’t camp loads on that time, however it was there. However your complete message was on being inclusively unique, repeatedly, inclusively unique, as you had been speaking about how in our world immediately, many individuals would choose Christianity to be unique and see that as a adverse factor.

2 Kings 6, hopelessness. Hopelessness, you stored making that clear. And, you made the assertion, “Resurrection is the ultimate antidote to hopelessness.” In 2 Kings 17, you made this assertion, “How can a God of love send people to hell? His judgment is right, His mercy is surprising.” So, I take heed to these, I come away with these statements. Would you simply speak to us a bit bit about your preparation and the way you provide you with this assertion, after which how you employ the assertion in educating in such a method that individuals can seize a maintain of it?

Sach: Sure, so my methodology could be to attempt to provide you with a sentence that encapsulates the purpose of the chapter or the couple of chapters. I believe the writer has a degree, so I’m not deciding a sentence, I’m kind of discovering a sentence. I hear laborious to seek out out what the writer is saying, however I wish to attempt to summarize it as a result of if I simply say 10 issues, you possibly can smuggle plenty of muddle into an extended checklist of issues. If you need to select what’s one factor, you’ve actually bought to grasp it to say, “How does this all fit together?” So, I attempt to provide you with a sentence after which I’ll attempt to break that down into the bits of that sentence that’ll I exploit to make my factors within the sermon.

So, usually my factors…quite than having a sermon that I don’t know, the standard quantity is three, isn’t it? There’s no cause why it needs to be however Christian sums are sometimes three factors. However quite than three factors that go in several instructions, I actually need the three factors that add as much as the primary level. So, I had for one sermon, in chapter 4, I had, “In a world under judgment, Elisha brings miraculous salvation to the remnant who cling to him.” That was my sentence. And I made my three factors, the primary one, “A world under judgment,” and I defined that, “Elisha brings salvation,” and I defined that, “To a remnant who cling to him,” and I defined that. So, however it provides as much as a sentence. I believe that method you possibly can put in numerous complexity, and element, and texture with out shedding folks.

So, my hope, I believe folks come to church with completely different backgrounds and completely different quantities of expertise in understanding texts, or trying on the Bible, or, you realize, some individuals are bookish, some folks don’t learn very nicely, some folks have been a Christian a very long time, some folks aren’t Christians. So, what I, ideally, wish to do is, everybody can comply with the primary thought, however there’s additionally issues to stretch the mature Christian. And the way in which I attempt to have each is to make the details actually, actually clear, after which below the factors I can say some extra detailed issues.

Guthrie: And what strikes me about that predominant level sentence you simply learn is that it’s so naturally going to offer your hyperlink to Christ from this Outdated Testomony narrative. That, the truth is, it’s clinging to the higher Elisha, we would say, the higher Yeshua who saves, who’s going to be the one who saves us from judgment.

Sach: I imply, that ought to all the time occur, shouldn’t it, as a result of the Bible is about Jesus, and God has spoken about His Son and all His guarantees He has in Christ. So, it shouldn’t be troublesome to see that as a result of that’s what the Holy Spirit who impressed these phrases desires to do.

Guthrie: That’s an excellent instance of one other factor I needed to ask you about, and that’s, I believe it may very well be simple in educating a guide like 2 Kings, which is, time and again, particularly afterward in 2 Kings, after we end Elisha being the type of the main focus. All these good kings, unhealthy kings, and if we’ve a need to get to Christ, it might so simply be that we’re attending to Christ the identical method each week, that we’re eager for a greater king. And, actually, if we had to decide on one factor that we had been going to get out of the guide of 1 and a couple of Kings, that is perhaps our takeaway, that each one of those human kings, they haven’t lived perpetually, they haven’t dominated in justice and righteousness, we want a greater king, that’s an enormous level. However, within the particular person sermons or as you’re educating via this, you don’t need that to be your level each week, that’s an enormous yawn. How did you retain from it sounding the identical each week when it comes to the way you’re attending to Christ?

Sach: Yeah. The writer does it otherwise, so it’s partly listening to the textual content. One of many actually attention-grabbing issues I’ve seen in 1, 2 Kings is, we’ve talked already concerning the cut up kingdom, so Israel within the North, Judah within the South. It’s the story within the South that will get to Jesus most clearly as a result of within the South you’ve bought the road of David and Jesus is within the line of David. So, you have a look at the family tree originally of Matthew and also you see all of the Kings that you just acknowledge from 2 Kings. However Israel, it simply disappears into exile in Assyria and off they go.

Now, it’s attention-grabbing to me that it seems like the 2 tales get to Jesus in several methods. So, the Judah story will get to Jesus simply by the road of kings being preserved, and even on the level that they’re being carted off to exile, it’s very intelligent. I imply, the top of the guide is so cleverly completed since you’ve bought this household tree in your head of all of the kings, and so they’re all being killed one after the other, by one. And also you suppose the final one has been killed. You suppose that all the line has been worn out, after which it seems, there was one that you just hadn’t seen who continues to be there. After which, the final paragraph of the guide was, “Oh, by the way, the king in the line of David is still alive.” And, that’s the thread that takes you thru to Jesus.

So, God preserves the Messiah even via exile, the road of Kkngs, right through. That’s the Judah story, whereas, the Israel story, the Kings go nowhere. I imply, there’s no line of succession, they’re all going to be taken off to Assyria, however it’s in the midst of the Israel story that you just get these two prophets, Elijah and Elisha, and also you get this superb Shadow. So, there’s truly plenty of [inaudible] even throughout the guide. Within the North, you’ve the prophets who’re a kind of Christ, within the South you’ve the Kings that had been within the line of Christ. So, even throughout the guide, there’s simply alternative ways of attending to Jesus.

Guthrie: You probably did that so fantastically in your message, your educating on 2 Kings 17 as a result of the way in which you bought to Christ was, right here’s these items occurring in Samaria, which might be, type of, shorthand for Israel as a result of it’s type of the capital metropolis. And in your message on 2 Kings 17, you went to John Four the place there’s this Samaritan lady. So, you helped your listeners perceive, these are the descendants of the folks that we’re speaking about from 2 Kings, and right here’s this Samaritan lady who involves the nicely and desires Jesus. And also you introduced the 2 passages collectively in a method that basically moved me personally. You mentioned, “To the people of Israel,” you’re speaking the two Kings passage, “God had said, I can’t stand the sight of you, get out.” After which, right here’s Jesus in Samaria to the girl on the nicely, and he seems at her and he says, “I know everything about you, and if you turn to me, you can be saved.”

Sach: : It’s so fantastic.

Guthrie: It’s simply the fantastic thing about the gospel message proper there. So, naturally from the textual content, this lovely distinction, it’s actually one thing. Okay. So, my quantity 9 of the stuff you did. Now, I’ve bought to let you know, I can not see myself ever doing this one.

Sach: What are you going to say? I’m considering, “What is number nine?”

Guthrie: I would hope to provide you with my very own twist primarily based in your function for doing this, however I don’t see myself ever doing it. I have a look at you, it’s shocking that you just use this. However what you probably did in each educating session, I believe on 1 Kings and a couple of Kings, you possibly can right me if I’m flawed, is that you just created a rap to incorporate in your educating for each session. All proper, so speak to us about this.

Sach: So, nicely, firstly let me say that, as you possibly can see, I’m not a pure rapper, and I’m an ideal fan of Shai Linne and a few of your American rappers, so that you in all probability bought the context, Nancy, as a result of I’d love him to file a model of it for me and do it correctly. So, mainly, a white English man attempting to rap isn’t itself fairly an amusing factor. So, I’m not suggesting that I’m doing it correctly or nicely. However I do love Christian rap and I believe, you realize, it’s a… I did it as a method of attempting to offer it a bit abstract so that individuals might maintain the entire story of their heads. It began, truly, in a youth conference in South Africa, in Cape City. I wrote one verse a day for the talks after which it, kind of, turned a factor. However, yeah, the concept of it was simply, it’s a little bit of enjoyable, but additionally it simply helped folks maintain the entire story of their heads. However if you wish to have amusing at an English man attempting to rap, then tune in.

Guthrie:So, would you like me to drag certainly one of them from a recording or would you be open to a command efficiency of certainly one of your raps?

Sach: So, I see if I can bear in mind it with out trying. It’s a must to do the rhythm, Nancy. We want a…so it’s a, type of, stamp, stamp, clap, stamp, stamp, clap. “When the people had an evil King, they worshiped Baal, a terrible thing. God said he’s a fake, but if you’re in doubt, let’s see which of us can end the drought, or if you prefer light a barbecue. What’s wrong Baal, are you sleeping, have you gone to the loo? When the people see the fire, they exclaimed, ‘The Lord, He is God,’ and it starts to rain. Ahab and Jezebel won’t repent so miserable Elijah to Sinai sent. But God is not in earthquake, fire, or wind, ‘No more second chances,’ that’s how bad they sinned. Instead, God dispatches the assassins, 3, but tells of 7,000 who ain’t bowed the knee.”

“Ramoth-Gilead is the test, ‘Shall we go, Micaiah or give it a rest? The others all say what we want to be true, only a pessimist would listen to you.’ So off to the battle, Ahab goes in disguise, but God’s word always comes to pass and so, of course, he dies. His son is just as awful when lying in bed sick, he sends the Baal of Ekron but his men returned too quick, for they were intercepted by a man of hairy black gown who told them there’s no chance at all your King is coming down. Up in the chariot the prophet goes, leaving his successor to deal with God’s foes. Elisha’s is now the man with Elijah’s cloak. Elisha is now the water parter prophesying bloke. We’re expecting the judgment to come, instead Elisha raises a Shunammite’s son. A poisoned stew is healed, the sons of prophets fed as Elisha multiplies 20 loaves of bread. But the assassins finally arrive, none of God’s enemies is left alive.” Apologies to correct rappers on the market who listened to this.

Guthrie: Oh, no, no, no, no, no apology wanted. I simply can’t think about how lengthy it took you to put in writing it after which put together to ship it. It’s mind-boggling to me.

Sach: I imply, raps and poems, it does stick in your thoughts. And I can nonetheless keep in mind that like a yr later, so.

Guthrie: How do you suppose that helped you get throughout the message you needed to…

Sach: Nicely, you’ll have to guage whether or not it does or whether or not folks simply had been amused. I did one stanza…

Guthrie: And that’s not a nasty factor, to be amused, proper, in the midst of a chat?

Sach: Yeah.

Guthrie: To interrupt the rhythm of our educating, in any other case. To type of name folks again and listen to it a special method.

Sach: Yeah. Yeah. And it simply meant…I imply I’d written it on a convention as a result of I needed to summarize the story to this point originally of every speak, and so I simply I added an additional stanza to the rap every time as we constructed up the story.

Guthrie: On a few episodes of “Help Me teach The Bible,” on the finish of them, I’ve sung with Ligon Duncan.

Sach: Good.

Guthrie: And other people inform me on a regular basis that they liked the singing with Ligon Duncan on the finish of his episodes. I’m not going to try to rap with you, however I don’t know, this will exceed the recognition of even singing with Ligon Duncan, I don’t know. Nicely, why don’t we shut this fashion, Andrew. After all, there’s a lot of two Kings we haven’t coated, however what you’ve offered to us has been actually useful. You’ve handed us some good instruments to dig deeper in our personal pursuit of understanding in being ready to show 2 Kings. So, perhaps you may end this fashion, how has your individual digging so deep into this guide, what sort of impression has it had on you personally?

Sach: Let me come again to certainly one of my favourite chapters and it has grow to be a treasured chapter to me, 2 Kings 5, which is a narrative of Naaman, or as I put it, Can human traffickers be saved? As a result of the entire query of, is Christianity inclusive or unique? It’s a troublesome one as a result of rightly essentially we’re unique. So, Jesus mentioned, “I’m the way, the truth, and life, and no one can come to the Father except through me.” We’ve simply been learning the Sermon on Mount. It was Jesus who mentioned, “The way is narrow that leads to life and few find it.”

So, it’s unique, and sometimes the church is berated for that, we’re advised that we’re bigoted and slim, and we solely care about ourselves and to hell with everyone else, actually. However, what I really like about 2 Kings 5 is, it’s probably the most lovely protection of exclusivism, which can also be otherwise, fantastically inclusive. This servant lady who’s been trafficked, she’s been kidnapped by Naaman in certainly one of his raids on Israel. She finds herself working in slavery for Naaman’s spouse, and Naaman is a leper. And this little lady says to her mistress, “If only my master was with the prophet in Samaria,” that’s Elisha, “he would cure him of his leprosy.”

And it simply exhibits me, that is completely a exceptional response. It’s exceptional as a result of it’s very brave, as a result of, to deliver up the L-word in that family, it will have been controversial, proper? So, this isn’t a topic of dialog that you just danger speaking about his leprosy. It’s brave, it’s additionally amazingly compassionate. I think about that his leprosy could be the one comfort to her, that the person who kidnapped her, took her into captivity, no less than his leprosy, and she or he would enjoyment of that. However, as an alternative, she desires him to be cured, which is amazingly gracious and compassionate.

However then, it’s additionally inclusively unique, and I simply summarized it with these two questions, what number of methods are there to be saved? Just one, solely the prophet in Samaria. Your Syrian docs can’t treatment you, Sir, of your leprosy, you’d be losing your time with them. There’s just one approach to be saved, however who could be saved by that a method? Oh, even you, Sir. And I really like that, that it’s a slim path, however it’s open to anyone who will comply with it. Solely the Lord Jesus can prevent, solely the Elisha character can prevent, however he’ll prevent Sir. And so, right here’s an outsider, a foreigner who has completed horrible, horrible issues. He comes and humbles himself earlier than Elisha, the Christ determine. And, mainly, he will get transformed, and he turns into a member of God’s household. It’s a ravishing factor.

And I believe if we will state our exclusivism and inclusivism collectively in that method, what number of methods are there to be saved? Just one. However who could be saved by that a method? Anyone can, from any faith, from any sexuality, from any background, if they’ll come and repent, and belief within the Lord Jesus. And I really like that. And it makes me pleased with it being… It’s exclusivism as a ravishing factor quite than an unsightly factor, inclusively unique.

After which, in fact, on the finish of the chapter, you get Gehazi, Elisha’s servant. And it’s a really horrible story the place he tries to reap the benefits of this new convert and needs cash from him, and so forth. And I believe he’s racist and bigoted. And he talks about Naaman this Syrian in a disdainful method. And that’s the ugliness of exclusivism. We don’t wish to be unique like that, we wish to be unique just like the little lady. If solely my grasp knew the prophet in Samaria, he would treatment him of his leprosy. If solely you had been to know the Lord Jesus, he would prevent. And to have the ability to provide that to completely everyone with wide-open arms, whilst we insist that there’s just one method. So, I believe, it’s a ravishing protection, I believe, and it’s made me not ashamed of the exclusivity of the gospel as a result of it’s additionally open to all.

Guthrie: That’s so lovely. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks a lot for serving to us train 2 Kings.

Sach: Thanks, Nancy.

Guthrie: You’ve been listening to “Help Me Teach The Bible” with Nancy Guthrie, a manufacturing of The Gospel Coalition sponsored by Crossway. Crossway is a not-for-profit writer of the ESV Bible, Christian books, and tracts. Be taught extra about Crossway’s gospel-centered sources at crossway.org.

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