Greg Lanier on 1 Corinthians (Part 1)

Greg Lanier on 1 Corinthians (Half 1)

Greg Lanier: The Previous Testomony and the New Testomony aren’t exhaustive for each identified attainable state of affairs. They don’t inform us what to do with the web, proper? And so, what Paul fashions for us is, okay with this new data, this new state of affairs that hasn’t occurred for us essentially, how will we take the one gospel that’s unchanging, or how will we take the character of the truine God which is unchanging and apply it to this new conditions? He fashions that for us, and I feel if nothing else, that’s what you wish to assist them get out of 1 Corinthians is, how do I purpose biblical?

Nancy Guthrie: Welcome to “Help Me Teach the Bible,” I’m Nancy Guthrie. “Help Me Teach the Bible” is a manufacturing of The Gospel Coalition sponsored by Crossway. Crossway is a not-for-profit writer of the ESV Bible, Christian books, and tracts. Study extra at crossway.org. I’m in Orlando, Florida on the workplaces of Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, and particularly within the workplace of Dr. Greg Lanier. Dr. Lanier, thanks for being keen to assist us train the Bible.

Lanier: Yeah, and thanks for being right here.

Guthrie: So that you train right here at RTS numerous programs associated to New Testomony exegesis and interpretation, Greek, preaching. After which, you’re additionally, do I perceive accurately, a part-time pastor?

Lanier: Sure, I’m part-time affiliate pastor at River Oaks Church in Lake Mary.

Guthrie: Now, I used to be studying by means of a few of the books you’ve printed, and truthfully, I’m not sensible sufficient to have the ability to know easy methods to pronounce…

Lanier: Truthful level.

Guthrie: …a few of the titles of a few of your books. Now, this one which I’ve learn, I can say its title, which is that this brief, easy, little e-book you probably did known as “How We Got the Bible.”

Lanier: Proper.

Guthrie: Previous and New Testomony Canon and Textual content. A really useful little e-book, particularly if persons are questioning, is the Bible dependable, how will we make sense of it? In order that’s a really readable e-book to anybody in our viewers.

Lanier:Yeah, and that’s, form of, for the common, simply congregation goer. It’s an advanced subject, however I used to be attempting to make it intelligible to…

Guthrie: And you probably did.

Lanier: …my mother, you recognize?

Guthrie: Yeah, you probably did. I actually like that little e-book. However then, like I learn one other one which’s in course of, Corpus Christologica, texts in translation for the examine of Jewish Messianism and early Christology.

Lanier: I see you bought it. That’s good.

Guthrie: That sounds sophisticated.

Lanier: That one’s a labor of affection, yeah.

Guthrie: Okay, why do you say so?

Lanier: As I used to be learning Christology over the previous a number of years, you see a variety of apocryphal writings, Lifeless Sea Scrolls, pseudoepigrapha, like 1 Enoch, which by the way in which is cited in Jude.

Guthrie: Sure.

Lanier: When persons are speaking about, “Okay, who’s Jesus? Why did the early Christians come to those conclusions about whether or not he’s the Son of Man or if he’s a messiah determine, some type? These Jewish texts usually play a task in that since you’ll have messiahs talked about within the Lifeless Sea Scrolls. You’ll have messiahs talked about in these issues. So I began simply accumulating all of them by way of, like, what I wished to search for, and what this e-book is it places the first textual content, so whether or not that’s, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, what have you ever, with a translation and a quick commentary in order that you would hint themes. I wish to have a look at each single passage the place a messiah is talked about earlier than the time of Jesus. That’s really a very laborious factor to do, to trace all that down. So it’s probably not meant to be a layperson e-book, it’s meant to, form of, be a place to begin for examine of Christology or the examine of Jesus.

Guthrie: Nicely, it’s attention-grabbing to me that you’re writing these sorts of educational books, in that, you didn’t essentially intend to even be a seminary professor, you had a profession in enterprise.

Lanier: Yeah, after I requested my spouse to marry me, that was a really totally different time of life. So, yeah, I labored in enterprise for nearly seven years, principally in venture administration, consulting, finance, after which within the 2010, 2011 timeframe. Went to RTS, Charlotte, after which to England, after which right here. So it’s been fairly a journey since then. So, yeah, so much has modified.

Guthrie: Nicely, we’re speaking at the moment concerning the e-book, 1 Corinthians, which is an enormous lengthy e-book, with a lot to cowl, so many difficult sections. So I feel we’re going to dive proper in.

Lanier: Certain.

Guthrie: There are some books that simply stand on their very own and also you don’t need to know so much about what was happening round them or what’s beneath it. Is that the case for 1 Corinthians, or what do we have to know that may not be instantly apparent to us once we start studying the letter that’s going to assist us in getting it proper as we search to show it?

Lanier:Certain, yeah, that’s a very vital level. In comparison with say Ephesians, which is fairly robust. I imply, it has a context, nevertheless it’s fairly easy. It’s a gospel presentation with implications. Romans, type of, suits that invoice. 1 Corinthians, perhaps extra so than every other of Paul’s letters to church buildings. We may take out the pastoral epistles. You’re being parachuted into, basically, a dumpster fireplace. And it’s a dumpster fireplace that’s a part of a fairly lengthy standing relationship that Paul has had with this explicit church. And so, everytime you decide up 1 Corinthians, really, you’re listening into half of an ongoing dialog. You’re solely getting Paul’s aspect of it, in different phrases. And it’s a dialog that he’s been having with the Corinthians and can proceed to have for some time. And so, that makes the context by way of who they’re, what are they coping with, and what are their issues? Makes it all of the extra vital as a result of that’s particularly what he’s addressing on this letter. So to make any sense of it, you’ve bought to, type of, get oriented to that stuff.

Guthrie: Would you name 1 Corinthians a letter of correction?

Lanier: Yeah. And, I imply, it’s not notably good, normally. It’s not fairly as snarky as Galatians will be. However he’s just about, from begin to end, taking them to process. And if you happen to needed to assign a theme to the letter, which generally is a bit tough to do as a result of he’s masking so many alternative issues. He’s placing out this fireplace then that fireplace. It’s basically one thing alongside the traces of, “The wisdom of Christ is sufficient for your holiness, or for your growth and grace.” It’s one thing like that. He’s attempting to say, “You don’t need these other things, we don’t need all these things. All you need is Christ, and Christ will help you correct a lot of the theological and moral hemorrhaging that’s going on in the church.” And so, it’s a letter of correction, and it’s a dozen or extra subjects that he’s simply going to tick them off one after the other and undergo them.

Guthrie: And don’t we, a few occasions, we’re signaled to what he’s basing this on? That he has gotten a letter from them, and he’s heard experiences about them, right?

Lanier: Yeah. And he’s written a letter already to them. So Paul arrives in Corinth on a second journey. He spends about 18 months there, and in order that’s in Acts 18. Leaves there, goes again to Jerusalem, again out. And when he’s tenting out in Ephesus for a number of years, he, sooner or later, writes them a letter, and he mentions that in 1 Corinthians 5. He says, “I wrote you in my letter, not to do this and that.” And so, that’s what of us name form of zero Corinthians as a result of we don’t have that letter anymore. He’s had Titus go, he’s had a number of correspondences with them, and sooner or later, they wrote him again. He mentions in 1 Corinthians 7, “Now, concerning the matters about which you write…” In order that’s one other letter that’s come to him. After which, he’s written this letter. As you get to 2 Corinthians, he mentions yet one more letter, which is, form of, like 1.5 Corinthians, so to talk. That is known as the extreme letter or the tearful letter when he says, “I didn’t want to do it, but I wrote you this. I couldn’t come, so I wrote you this letter.”

After which you have got 2 Corinthians. And so, you’re within the center already, or like 5 letters, some from them, and a few from Paul. And so, it’s fairly the complicated state of affairs that we actually need to roll up our sleeves to get our heads round, as a result of there’s a variety of backwards and forwards. There’s a variety of water below the bridge in different phrases, that we’re not all the time clued into, and so all we’ve is the letter, so that you simply, type of, work by means of it.

Guthrie: Nicely, assist us to determine how we’d set up our instructing. It looks as if you undergo the letter, and you’ll inform he’s responding to one thing, as a result of it’s, type of, like, “Now, about this…”

Lanier: Yeah, precisely.

Guthrie: “… and now, about that.”

Lanier: Yeah, I imply, typically he’s quoting, relying on which translation you have got, typically they’ll even put it in citation marks, like, “Now, concerning what you wrote, quote, “A man should not have relations with his wife.” So which will very properly be an excerpt from their letter, so he clearly is signaling that. It’s nearly like he’s bought this record of issues. He’s like, “All right, about this one, let me do the next one, and let me just tick these off.” And so, it makes it a bit laborious to, type of, construction the way you wish to do it.

Guthrie: So, if you happen to have been instructing it, I imply, would you simply decide, like I learn one place. It mentioned, principally, that there have been 11 points. I ponder if that’s what you’ll say? And so, would that imply you’ll do it over 11 periods? Or if at your church, you’re a part-time pastor at your church.

Lanier: Yeah, positive.

Guthrie: How would you method your construction for the way you’re going to show the e-book?

Lanier: By way of, form of, macrostructure, I feel spending, perhaps, one lesson simply giving an summary of the state of affairs, perhaps an summary of his argumentative technique, which I’d love to speak extra about, what precisely he’s doing.

Guthrie: And, simply return to the state of affairs. Are there a few assets that you simply would possibly level us to that assist us format that basis state of affairs, or are you considering, “You’re just going to draw it all from the text itself”?

Lanier: Oh, I imply, in all probability a little bit of each. By way of simply basic background, I like to consider it as, a little bit of Atlanta and with a Vegas blended in, versus say, London. If Rome is London, outdated metropolis, heart of the world, so to talk. Corinth is form of, a comparatively new, up and coming metropolis. A whole lot of social motion happening principally new wealth, not an enormous historical past as a result of it was just lately destroyed. And so, you have got an incredible quantity of, you recognize, lower-class individuals making it up the ladder, you have got wealth and poverty points, you have got a complete bunch of social and ethical points that include that. You see that loud and clear within the letter. And so, it profiles very like younger metropolis with an upwardly cellular inhabitants. Largely individuals working, principally working-class or service provider class of us.

And so, you really see that within the letter, the explanation why they’re bickering on the Lord’s Supper and why the poor are being unnoticed. As properly you have got these upwardly cellular newly rich people who find themselves shunning them. We see that on a regular basis at the moment. You recognize, the explanation why you have got the difficulty about prostitution, about sexual infidelity, you actually have a raging incest drawback, is as a result of it’s a completely pagan background metropolis. That’s what they do in Corinth. And so, all these issues are very a lot impacting the Christians in Corinth. And so, you’re, form of, parachuting into this scrappy congregation that’s bought a complete lot of issues as a result of they’re on this completely pagan, newish metropolis, fairly vital metropolis within the Roman Empire. And so, they don’t seem to be solely on the earth, however they’re, in lots of respects, of the world. And so, Paul desires to rebuke them for that.

Guthrie: It makes me take into consideration our day and time, that if we went a short while again in historical past, you recognize, individuals take into account this a Christian nation, and it actually had an actual foundation in Judeo-Christian values. But it surely appears as if we’re getting into a brand new time frame, that’s extra deeply secular. And that the mindsets and assumptions of persons are going to change into just a little bit extra, you used the phrase pagan…

Lanier: Yeah. Or actually, worldly, yeah.

Guthrie: Yeah. We’re going to be coping with a few of the points they’re, of individuals popping out of a really worldly, Christless life that then have to determine, “What are the implications for now embracing Christ for things about my family, and my sexuality, and all of these issues?”

Lanier: Yeah, you recognize, insofar as the massive… [inaudible] extra well-known letters like Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, the guts of them is the fundamentals of the Christian message, proper? The private work of Jesus. You don’t actually get a variety of that in 1 Corinthians, which doesn’t make it untheological. What 1 Corinthians is, is an utility of that fact. And that, I feel, is immensely related at the moment.

Guthrie: Actually useful to us.

Lanier: As a result of he’s displaying, okay, I’ve this one gospel, look it up in Galatians, proper? What he’s attempting to do is say, “It applies to every single part of your life, and whether it’s lawsuits with other Christians and how to interact with the judicial system. Whether that is, “What is our eternal hope and what’s going to happen to my body?” I simply did a youth lesson a few weeks in the past on Darwinism and the Huge Bang, and like, “What’s going to happen to our bodies when this is all over with? And, you know, if I listened to my science teacher, versus…” So he’s figuring out. 1 Corinthians doesn’t have a, form of, “Romans Road” in it. What it has is, “Okay, this is the truth, and let me apply it to all these different issues that they are very much feeling as they are in this somewhat disoriented position of, “We are Christians in a non-Christian city.” And that couldn’t be extra related at the moment.

Guthrie: Precisely.

Lanier: You recognize, a method you would do it’s, begin describing what you see within the textual content. It’s like, “Hey, which city am I talking about?” As a result of it’s going to sound like, “Oh, wow, it sounds like…”

Guthrie: Like a contemporary metropolis?

Lanier: “… it sound like Portland or it sounds like, you know, Austin, Texas, or it sounds like…” No, really that is…

Guthrie: Oh, that’s good.

Lanier: Corinth in 53 AD. And so, perhaps that might be a hook..

Guthrie: Yeah. I prefer it.

Lanier: Okay, at occasions, that is going to really feel overseas to me as a result of, okay, what’s happening with head masking? However the points they’re dealing with are precisely the identical factor. And the underlying dynamics are precisely the identical that we face at the moment. So, all of the books. However the fundamental move is, he’s going to spend the primary 4 chapters getting on the coronary heart of their drawback, which pertains to ignoring the foolishness of the gospel, and privileging worldly knowledge. Privileging what they’re getting from the philosophers and from what we’d name mainstream media, or Oprah, or the New York Instances at the moment. And so they have downplayed this outdated information a couple of useless messiah. And so, he says, “The source of your problem is that.” And in that early part, he’s additionally saying, “I’m seeing it play out in particular in factions.” And I’ll inform my college students, and this, hopefully, isn’t going to get me in bother, however, you recognize, at the moment, “We are in this conference.” You recognize, “We’re in this denomination.” Nicely, “We go to this…” You recognize, “We go to…”

Guthrie: “I read this author,” proper? Yeah.

Lanier: I received’t title names. Yeah, “I like this author. I like this big-name figure, and this is the team I’m on.” And that’s precisely what was occurring [crosstalk].

Guthrie: We name them tribes.

Lanier: Yeah.

Guthrie: So the Paul tribe, the Peter tribe, the Apolloish tribe, and apparently the Jesus tribe. And so, he particularly begins there as a result of he sees this infatuation with every part we’re infatuated with at the moment, like massive platforms, rhetorical skill, plenty of followers. And so he says, “That is the symptom of this underlying issue, you’ve missed the gospel.” And so, it begins with the factionalism. In order that’s, form of, part 1 by means of 4. After which he goes into, principally issues associated to sexuality, in type of, 5 by means of 7 with a aspect bit on lawsuits. However you’ve bought divorce and remarriage, you’ve have incest embedded in that, you have got church self-discipline, you have got what to do if you happen to’re betrothed, and never, you recognize, get chilly ft. There’s, form of, other ways of taking that.

So he offers with, principally, an enormous class coping with sexual wholeness. In order that’s actually 5 by means of 7, Eight by means of 10 is mostly associated to, how will we dwell in a pagan world? And the difficulty that they have been dealing with is, “Where do we get our meat?” They weren’t but in an period the place that they had the meatless hamburgers, which I suppose is the factor now. So that they needed to get their meat from the idol festivals, and the temple, and so forth. And so, that was an actual subject, “Can we do this or not?” And so, he addresses that. And, really, large theological reply sure he offers to that extra so than the symptom subject of, “Can we eat meat?” The actual subject is, “How do we relate to our past?” “We’ve come out of,” at the very least a lot of the Corinthian church, “We’ve come out of a very dark background where we literally believe we were worshipping false gods, and eating that meat was part of that. Okay, now I’m washed and I made clean, what do I do now?”

And so, you’ll be able to apply that to any state of affairs at the moment, and that’s what all of us take care of once we come to the Lord. So despite the fact that that’s the principle factor, it has a much wider utility. The following massive part which is the place everybody, form of, shipwrecks is the non secular present part, 12, 13, and 14. And it’s sophisticated and it’s thorny, nevertheless it’s nonetheless the identical fundamental theme. They’re privileging and placing a variety of worth on seen exhibits and the ecstatic tongues versus different much less, from their perspective, much less attention-grabbing issues. So he has to get that so as and, form of, every kind of issues of their worship service. After which he concludes from, you recognize, 15, after which the wrap-up in 16 with this stunning resurrection physique dialogue. In order that’s, perhaps, a strategy to do it.

Guthrie: Nicely, perhaps that’s a very good construction for our dialog too…

Lanier: Certain, I do know.

Guthrie: …then to drop into every of these 5 sections, and ask the query, how does Paul apply the gospel right here? So let’s begin at the start, and it’s this massive dialog about knowledge. And he makes this assertion that the phrase of the cross is folly to those that are perishing, however to us who’re being saved, it’s the energy of God. And he goes on to say, really, that Christ is our knowledge. We use the phrase knowledge, in a contemporary sense. Can our trendy sense of knowledge, is it ample for us to grasp what he’s speaking about when he’s speaking about knowledge?

Lanier: It’s not essentially inadequate, what he’s doing in that argument, Corinth had synagogues of Jews, nevertheless it’s principally Gentile background. This one church that’s cast out of that’s going to have a little bit of each. It’s going to be principally Gentile, nevertheless it’s actually going to have some Jews. And he says, “Look, here’s the problem. Those who come from a Jewish background are seeking sign.” What he means by that’s, similar to in historical Israel, they’re searching for Moses or somebody to do these indicators, and the indicators validate God. And so they say, “This is God. This is why we trust in and that’s why we believe in it.” And he says, “Greeks value wisdom.” And so, what he means by knowledge there’s the entire custom of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, the really, form of, refined educated lifetime of philosophy, and considering, and that notably…

Guthrie: After which how that’s communicated rhetorically, in rhetoric?

Lanier: And the way it’s communicated, yeah. And, Paul may be very properly versed on this. I imply, you see this particularly even earlier than he will get to Corinth when he’s in Athens, he goes toe-to-toe with the stoics and the Epicureans. He is aware of their system backwards. He even is aware of a few of their authors, he quotes, Aretas, and so forth. And so, he is aware of the knowledge from a Greek perspective. He is aware of that out and in. He’s taken his philosophy 101 class, and he’s ready to make use of that. And so, he is aware of those that come from that background, what they worth is worldly knowledge communicated in a sure manner, that’s respectable in society, that wins, likes, feedback, and subscribes, so to talk, on-line, you recognize, plenty of followers, and so forth. So he’s like, “The problem is that both halves of the church are looking for the wrong thing.” The Jewish background, they’re searching for indicators, and perhaps that maybe pertains to a few of the non secular presents stuff, it’s not 100% positive.

After which you have got the Gentiles who’re privileging and actually desirous to see a present. And he says, “Okay, Christ is the sign, and Christ is the wisdom. The problem is your thinking a dead messiah is neither. A crucified messiah doesn’t check the sign box, and it certainly doesn’t look wise in worldly standards. And so, that’s where he starts. He’s like, “Okay, we’ve got to invert that, and correct that for everyone in the church.” And in order that’s the place he begins. So in some respects, it has a variety of analogs at the moment by way of what the hearts of our individuals search after, the place their minds go, the place their hearts go, on a day-to-day foundation. I’ve had of us say, “Look, if God exists, I want to see something. I want to see him show up. Why don’t we see miracles anymore?” You’ve bought people say, “Look, Christianity is this. It’s not Nietzsche, you know, it’s not Aristotle.”

So that you simply preserve speaking about Jesus. Like, present me the refined philosophy, present me the self assist. And Christians can fall sufferer to that. That’s how we find yourself studying unhealthy theology, and giving individuals platforms that shouldn’t have them, and so forth, as a result of we get distracted by the mistaken factor. So he begins there, as a result of that’s finally… After they’re searching for data outdoors of God, outdoors of his self-revelation in Jesus, you’re going to finish up in a variety of totally different unhealthy locations. And at that time, you simply decide and select what you wish to comply with, and that’s precisely what they’ve executed. They are saying, “Hey.” When he will get to 1 Corinthians 5, he says, look, you have got a person who’s committing incest, apparently together with his stepmother. Not solely do you not suppose this can be a drawback, you’re really boasting on this since you purchased right into a pagan mind-set. That is how we present that we’re on the precise aspect of historical past. That is how we present that we’re progressive-minded, and trendy, or what have you ever.

So it’s the very same factor that we face at the moment. So there’s large quantity of frequent floor there, simply totally different points, however the identical fundamental drawback. What I discover so immensely vital about that, he says, “Look, all we need is Christ. You guys want these other things, you want signs, you want wisdom.” And he says, “Whether you like it or not, all I have to offer you is Jesus. All I know is Christ and Him crucified.” And that’s considered one of two totally different locations he summarizes what he’s all about. The opposite place is in Romans the place he says, “What I’m really about is the ministry of the gospel.” He desires to see the nation’s come to Jesus.So he’s, form of, about these two issues. And so, he says, “We have what we need.”

The opposite I’d point out if I have been doing a, type of, intro dialogue that I feel will then lay the inspiration for the remaining is, provided that Paul is correcting particular issues they’ve, I feel it’s actually helpful to offer them a quite simple strategy to observe what he does when he’s attempting to right them. Drawback with 1 Corinthians in modern-day discussions and whether or not it’s head coverings, whether or not its tongues, whether or not it’s divorce and remarriage is, a variety of of us say, “That was all then.” Something he has to say about intercourse, marriage, what you eat, all that was simply 53 AD, 55 AD-Corinth, none of it actually has any relevance at the moment apart from chapter 13, as a result of we learn that at weddings, proper? So on the one hand, I don’t wish to fall by exhorting of us to take significantly, the context. The error could be that the native state of affairs at Corinth is all that issues, and that is merely only a description of some issues that occurred and let’s transfer on. And so what I attempt to say is, look there’s three fundamental belongings you want to remember with each considered one of these points he offers with, and I’ll begin with the third one. Third one is, what’s the native state of affairs? As an illustration, it’s particularly, “I follow Peter, I follow Apollos…”

Guthrie: These divisions?

Lanier: “…I comply with Paul.. That’s the division. These issues are on the bottom actual points that aren’t repeated, and it’s like, I’m assuming we don’t have that in my church, proper, or at the very least a few of these issues. In order that’s the historic state of affairs. And a variety of of us simply wish to go away it there, however that’s not what Paul does. For those who have a look at each single considered one of them, there’s two steps he takes. Step one, he establishes a theological floor for what he’s going to say. It’s fascinating, you have a look at each single considered one of them, and it’s one thing about God, it’s one thing about Jesus, a lot of them, it’s a citation of the Previous Testomony. And so he’ll go to Adam and Eve for coping with, form of man, girl, head coverings, that type of stuff. He goes to Deuteronomy for, how do you take care of a man in your church who’s in a flagrant state of affairs of sin? He’ll go to Numbers, and Israel within the wilderness, and the baptism of Moses, and the entire story of the serpents, and all that type of stuff to clarify what to do with pagan choices to idols.

So every step alongside the way in which, he all the time goes to a theological level that he says, “This is why I’m going to tell you what I’m going to tell you.” That’s the place we will go and say, “That principle isn’t just 53 AD, that is 2019, 2020, 2021. Because he’s arguing from Scripture, he’s arguing from the character of God, he’s not just winging it, to address a particular situation. The middle step is, what does he do with that principle? So if he says, “Okay, because God is X, because Christ has risen from the grave, because Christ is our Passover lamb, therefore purge the leaven from among you. And because you’ve got this dumpster fire issue, let me tell you what to do.” And he offers them directions. That center class, I feel, is the place we’re utilizing our knowledge to say, “Okay, what part of that can we model ourselves after?” What a part of that’s for us to do? And plenty of occasions, it could be. It’s like we must always do the identical. Typically we would draw extra rules from it, however I feel that three-step course of actually simplifies, what’s the theology, how is he making use of it, after which what’s the concrete state of affairs? That helps you, type of, determine easy methods to navigate by means of every.

Guthrie: So with every of those conditions, I’m desirous to ask, what does he attraction to, and decide how he’s going to inform us easy methods to dwell?

Lanier: And we will go into some examples after which flesh that out. And what I feel is so useful about that, insofar as there’s an incredible urge to say none of it’s related for us, it’s simply what occurred again then. The alternative excessive is, 100% of it’s word-for-word related at the moment. Subsequently, everybody should put on a head masking in church otherwise you’re not a Christian, proper? As a result of we’ve to implement this actually on a regular basis, and that’s not usually a really protected place, both.

Guthrie: Nicely, that is the way you’re going to assist us.

Lanier: So we’re attempting to navigate some locations in between as a result of there are issues which are completely relevant at the moment, however there are some issues that was a selected state of affairs, proper? And so, giving at the very least that grid may also help you have got a more healthy dialog versus simply selecting. The factor that’s so cool about 1 Corinthians, it exhibits us Paul doing that. It exhibits him, a bunch of fireplace drills pop up, and he says, “Okay, let me suppose, what in my theology, in my studying of the Previous Testomony, which is usually what he had at that time, and my understanding of the work of Jesus, how do I apply that to this case? And that’s…

Guthrie: Yeah. And so, what did the Previous Testomony say? After which, what distinction does the life, dying, and resurrection of Jesus make on this?

Lanier: And let me apply that to this new state of affairs, as a result of the Previous Testomony might not have spoken, and once we get to divorce and remarriage, once we get there, he really attracts a distinction, what Christ explicitly mentioned after which what I’m constructing on. The Previous Testomony and The New Testomony aren’t exhaustive for each identified attainable state of affairs. They don’t inform us what to do with the web, proper? And so, what Paul fashions for us is, “Okay, with this new data, this new state of affairs that hasn’t occurred earlier than, essentially, how will we take the one gospel that’s unchanging, or how will we take the character of the triune God which is unchanging and apply it to this new state of affairs? He fashions that for us, and I feel if nothing else, that’s what you wish to assist them get out of 1 Corinthians is, how do I purpose Biblically?

Guthrie: All proper, so we talked just a little bit concerning the knowledge of God in that first little part. How about if we leap to chapters 5 by means of, would you undergo 7?

Lanier: Yeah, usually 5 by means of 7 are, type of, grouped. It’s not…

Guthrie: Yeah, it’s about sexual immorality.

Lanier: It’s not all uniform [inaudible 00:26:41].

Guthrie: Now, you latterly taught on this at your church, didn’t you?

Lanier: I did, yeah, for about 25 weeks, we did.

Guthrie: Twenty-five weeks? In what, in chapters, simply 5?

Lanier: No, no, no. It was the whole lot of gender and sexuality.

Guthrie: Okay. This is a matter for at the moment, isn’t it? I’m fascinated with a few conversations I had just lately, and you’ll inform me whether or not or not you suppose these relate. Paul is coaching us to make sensible choices…

Lanier: Yeah, it’s a great way to phrase it, yeah.

Guthrie: …in regard to those issues. Like, I talked to at least one one that talked about how that they had somebody of their church who had been transgender and got here to Christ, however had had surgical procedure. And so they had to determine easy methods to assist that individual determine what’s it going to seem like to go ahead as a believer, or one other individual I talked to, a homosexual couple had come to Christ. They’ve a toddler, they usually had to determine easy methods to inform, yeah, these of us to dwell out this newfound identification in Christ. So this will appear very far-off from us, nevertheless it appears to me that perhaps Paul is coaching us for easy methods to apply Biblical knowledge to even these sorts of conditions which are very trendy.

Lanier: Yeah. Paul was actually accustomed to the notion of same-sex not solely attraction and affection, so forth, but additionally bodily relationships, emotional relationships, and so, even in 1 Corinthians 7, he indicators that, and elsewhere. Many people could be scandalized if we have been at Corinth, in Paul’s day by way of, their pottery would have had erotic actions depicted on it. And so, like, move me the water jug, and also you see some profane issues. So it’s really not all that unfamiliar, despite the fact that Paul’s solely giving us a number of examples to, you recognize, considered one of them being this man who has his father’s spouse. You recognize, okay, perhaps incest isn’t one thing that may be a social worth proper now, however there are related sorts of issues.

I imply, the challenges is that three-step course of I discussed by way of theological grounds, how he applies them, after which what the historic state of affairs is. They’re all interwoven, it’s not like, “Okay, let me give you the first three…” You recognize, it’s not like we’d do it in a sixth-grade paper. However usually talking, they change into pretty clear. So if you happen to simply have a look at 1 Corinthians 5, the concrete state of affairs is, it’s really reported there, “Sexual immorality among you, a kind not even tolerated among pagans for a man has his father’s wife.”

So the precise state of affairs is that this subject of incest. And naturally, you could say, “Well, we don’t have incest in my church, therefore we can move on.” However that will be lacking his level. The purpose is, what’s he going to do with this? All through the passage, a number of issues he factors to. First, in verse 4, he says, “When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus, and with the power of our Lord Jesus.” So one thing about their congregation, one thing concerning the Christian church is corporately within the title of Jesus. It’s set aside to be in him, which by the way in which is a mind-blowing idea simply in its personal proper. That’s one factor he goes to.

Second factor he goes by means of in verse 6, “Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven,” he mentioned. Okay, and that is attention-grabbing, why? So the cleaning out the leaven, that goes again to The Previous Testomony. When are they not speculated to eat leaven? Pop quiz. And so they nonetheless do it at the moment within the Jewish…

Guthrie: Main as much as a selected feast or competition.

Lanier: Yeah, and particularly, Passover. And that’s precisely the place he goes. So he says, “All right, the Old Testament principle is, leaven works its way through the whole lump.” He says, “That’s why you’ve got to symbolically get rid of leaven.” He says, Right here’s why. Christ is our Passover lamb.” So he fuses the whole lot The E book of Exodus, and all of the rules about purity in the neighborhood, and why you could do away with leaven since you’re not going to, you recognize, rejoice God making you consecrated to Himself. He says, “Now that’s Christ. Christ is our Passover lamb.” That’s what he hangs his hat on.

After which lastly he goes down in verse 12, “Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge because God judges those outside.” After which he quotes Deuteronomy, “Purge the evil person from among you.” So these could be, type of, the three issues he hangs his hat on. We’re consecrated within the Lord, Christ is our Passover, due to this fact, the entire thing about purity and the leavening of the lump, and I must do away with the leaven, that’s now Christologized, so to talk. It’s been completely reworked to Jesus. Then he lands with Deuteronomy. It’s fascinating.

So principally his level is that folks of God needs to be a holy consecrated individuals. And that, by the way in which, strikes towards a variety of trendy, form of, broadly evangelical considering, which is, “Hey, we’re just a bunch of mess.” Like, okay, as soon as in us, I get that we’re all sinners, however really, that’s not Paul’s argument in any respect. His argument is, “No, we are to be consecrated because the Passover has happened, the real Passover has happened.” That’s his grounds. The state of affairs is, this man and sin, and so what’s his utility? The place he says, “All right, let him who has done this be removed from you.” After which he says, “You know, when you gather, deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh.” Verse 9, “I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people.” And he says, “Not those of the world because again, God’s going to take care of them.”

Guthrie: This looks as if an important precept to clarify.

Lanier: Yeah, precisely. He says, “Not those of the world.” And that’s why the Passover principal is so key, and perhaps we will come again to that. He says, “Look, I’m not saying you’ve got to get away from, and shun your neighbor who you know, you know, has sexual problems.” He says, “Look, I’m not trying to say separate yourself from the sexually immoral of the world, or the greedy, or idolaters or something, then you would have nowhere to go.” However he’s saying, I’m writing to you to not affiliate with somebody who bears the title of brother. That’s they are saying, “I’m a Christian and we’re celebrating the truth that I’m on this [inaudible 00:32:25] sexual relationship, I’m a thief, or I’m a swindler.

Somebody who bears the title of brother who boasts in that, don’t affiliate with that individual if they’re, form of, willfully on this lifetime of sin.” So Paul nearly, form of, anticipates what we’re all going to say, proper, “Well, who are you to judge, Paul? Why don’t you throw the first stone?” Proper? he says, “Okay. No, let me just throw that on is the side.” He says, “Look, we’re supposed to judge or adjudicate.” It’s laborious to translate that phrase. We’re speculated to train discernment over these inside, we’ve bought to observe our home. We’re not apprehensive concerning the outdoors world, God’s going to guage them.

So it’s attention-grabbing move. He says, “Look that people of God are to be whole, we’re to be consecrated to God because of Christ our Passover lamb.” He says, “All right, so if you have someone who is boasting about sexual immorality,” in different phrases, who isn’t repentantly grieving it however who’s flaunting it. He says that can not be within the church.

Guthrie: Yeah, that is so well timed. Additionally, within the broader church, and we may even say, broader evangelical church, some who would say that some issues of sexuality actually dwelling in gay relationships. Some would say that that’s an choice for a believer would nonetheless name themselves Christians. It’s saying the world’s going to be the world, however Paul’s involved how individuals who go by the title of Christ reside. And he’s fairly adamant that they need to be thrown out and take into account them outsiders.

Lanier: We’re a individuals being consecrated out from the world. Okay, in order that’s what the Passover is about. And as that folks, we’re to purge the worldly parts from amongst us. And that’s what the entire leaven symbolism is about. And so I imply, is that a simple fact? No. However he appears pretty, pretty clear on that. What’s attention-grabbing is that, approaching it this fashion helps you pull out of the weeds of, “Well, this is Paul at a certain point in time, and they didn’t understand desires,” or regardless of the subject is, “They don’t understand the way we do because we’re enlightened modern people.”

He says, “No, actually, my argument isn’t personal preference, it isn’t cultural, it isn’t because I’m afraid of things, it’s because of the character of God and what God has done with his people, and the work of Jesus.” So, that’s the place he goes. And I don’t suppose most people who wish to cross the rubicon of claiming, “The work of Christ itself is no longer relevant.” Most people within the, form of, broadly orthodox line of Christianity aren’t able to, type of, cross that, and that’s precisely the place he hangs his arguments. So it’s not simple, and it requires endurance and so forth, however that’s the place he goes.

Guthrie: Let’s go to chapter 8.

Lanier:All proper.

Guthrie: About meals provided to idols. So…

Lanier: Often known as, “Can I drink?”

Guthrie: Okay, I used to be going to ask.

Lanier: As a RUF campaign staffer or crew staffer. I get my [inaudible 00:35:11], as a result of it’s like, “Okay, I know what you all just want to know. Is, can you drink or not?” I imply, it’s a severe subject, however…

Guthrie: Completely. What’s the modern-day corollary to meals provided to idols or what are a few of them that you can imagine?

Lanier: That’s a very good query. The rationale why that was a problem is, in Paul’s day at Corinth, and a lot of the, you recognize, Roman cities, meats would have been costly, would have been usually tougher to return by than grain, and so forth, and greens. And so, as a result of their total sacrificial system and the gods they worship, which you see talked about a number of occasions within the New Testomony, whether or not it’s Artemis of the Ephesians, or Zeus and so forth. They operated by way of sacrifices to appease the gods. And so, what they did is, they’d sacrifice the meat to pacify Apollo.

And since they didn’t wish to waste the meals, you recognize the monks would get their share after which they’d promote the remaining. For a Christian popping out of that background the place for his or her Thanksgiving feast, their equal of that, they’re going to go as much as the Artemis temple, they usually’re going to get the meat that, whether or not they believed in it or not, they have been nonetheless taking part on this, “Okay, this is offered up to placate the gods.” The Gentile background converts to the Corinthian church, that’s what that they had been doing, you recognize, what, from the time they have been a child.

And so, it’s an actual subject of conscience for them. Can I affiliate with that formal lifestyle or not, or would that defile me as a Christian? Many issues can match into that, take the mission area, for example. Inside the broadly Muslim, you recognize, form of, the 10/40 window. Anybody who’s a missionary within the Muslim world, a relentless factor they take care of because the comparatively small variety of Muslims convert to Christianity is, “Okay, how do I relate to the mosque, now?” To what diploma would taking part in Eid, post-Ramadan feast, to what diploma would that sacrifice Christian convictions?”

I imply, whilst an American, you recognize, or some individuals at our church have Muslim neighbors, they get invited to a breaking of the Ramadan quick dinner. Can we do this or not? Would that be taking part in false faith? In order that’s one instance. You recognize, going out to bars. I had a buddy of mine in school, who was adamant that Christians nonetheless wanted to go drink closely at bars for mission’s functions. We nonetheless must go and do this type of stuff to indicate that we’re not bizarre, and to fulfill individuals on their very own turf, and so forth. And many people have been like, “That’s insane.” It’s not the consuming that’s the difficulty, however associating with a sure sample.

Guthrie: Let me ask you about this one. Would this be a corollary? What are you going to do with cash that involves your ministry that perhaps got here from, say, playing. Would that be a corollary?

Lanier: You imply, if somebody gambled after which…

Guthrie: Gambled after which gave…

Lanier: …tithed it, or one thing like that?

Guthrie: Yeah.

Lanier: Let’s say, somebody was once massive into playing, they’ve come to Jesus. Okay, to what diploma, no matter your stance on the legitimacy of playing, which is a crucial however totally different subject, and stuff like dancing and playing cards, proper? To what diploma can they affiliate with that formal lifestyle. And in order that’s in all probability greater than parallel. Or any, form of, addictive life-style may match the invoice there. And so, it’s these sorts of issues that I feel we will make this utility from. And so it’s attention-grabbing, and this passage is, explicit chapter, properly each Eight and 10 simply have a few of the most mind-blowing theology that he has. With respect to meals provided to idols, his reply goes again to the Shema that, “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” And it’s there in verse 6.

He says, “For us, there’s one God, the Father from whom are all things, and for Him, we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom, we exist.” Then he additionally says in verse 4, “There is no god but One.” All of that’s really simply bedrock Previous Testomony theology of the oneness of God. The fascinating factor is that he has form of transfigured it round Jesus. He’s form of crammed Jesus into the Shema, as a result of the Shema is, “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” So that you’ve bought Lord, you’ve bought God, and also you’ve bought one. And he takes these phrases, and he form of parses them out between Father and Son.

And so this can be a very well-known passage in New Testomony theology the place the inclusion of Jesus and the one true God is simply form of very clear. And the truth that he makes use of the Previous Testaments Shema, the Deuteronomy 6:Four to do it’s mind-blowing. However he goes again and says, “Okay, when we deal with issues of food offered idols or even abstract from that, your past and past habits, past things you were involved in.” What he goes again to is the character of God. That God is the one who’s the supply of all existence.

And his explicit utility then is, idols are pretend, meals itself is simply meals. It doesn’t make us any additional away from God or any nearer to God. He says, “We’re no worse off what we eat, we’re no better off if we do, because God is the Lord over all this stuff.” God/the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, they’re the supply of all existence, it’s all theirs. And so, whether or not you eat or not isn’t finally… The truth that the meals was sacrificed to Apollo, God is aware of Apollo doesn’t exist. He’s the God that created all issues, proper? And in order that’s his argument. So what’s his utility? He says, “It’s not the thing that’s going to make you closer to God or not close to God, it’s how you do it with respect to your own conscience and other people’s conscience.” That’s the place he goes with it.

So you bought to, once more, to place it within the grid. The native subject, form of, the far proper of my grid as I do it visually in entrance of you. The problem is meals sacrificed to idols. The theology is, the character and oneness of God as revealed in Jesus. And the applying is, within the eyes of God, you could comply with your conscience, and particularly, in these 1 Corinthians Eight and 10, you could guard the conscience of the opposite one that could also be confused concerning the character of God. That’s his level. And so, what’s so attention-grabbing about this, he says, “All right, look. Whether you eat this food or not doesn’t really matter, but if someone could confuse that as if you are a Christian sanctioning the worship of Apollo, that’s when it would be a problem.” That’s the place he goes.

If another person’s conscience would suppose that to be a Christian equals, we sacrifice to Zeus, then that’s the drawback as a result of there’s one true God. And so, if you happen to took that to… And that is really when somebody requested me what to do with the Muslim feast, I mentioned, “Look, your neighbor knows you’re a Christian. You’ve invited them to our stuff and they’ve come. Like, they know where you stand, they know you don’t worship Allah.” I imply, good principal edMuslims know that we don’t consider in the identical factor, no matter what the information says that they’re all the identical God. , constant Muslim realizes there’s an enormous distinction in how we worship, and the way they worship, and what we consider.

And so, they know that that’s the place you stand. They know that you simply don’t simply suppose Jesus is a messenger, you suppose he’s the Dwelling God. There’s no confusion about that. So it’s as much as you and your conscience to say, “What I’m doing is going to show love to them as my neighbor to go and have fellowship with them over something that’s important to them, but I’m not doing anything to show that I actually think it’s real worship.” And so long as they get that, then…in keeping with 1 Corinthians…

Guthrie: Then you have got freedom.

Lanier: Then you have got some freedom of conscience. If, nevertheless, they suppose that you simply’re really providing sacrifices to, you recognize, Allah within the title of Mohammed, then you definitely’ve bought an issue. And so, then you definitely would keep away from that. So I feel you’ll be able to, form of, apply that thought course of to a variety of these totally different points. If somebody thinks that to be a Christian is to gamble, or that playing someway pertains to your relationship with God. For those who’re sending that message, then that’s an issue, as a result of then you would harm the conscience of others. So I feel that’s, type of, the place he goes with this. And so, it takes a while, it takes some thought. It’s not all the time easy by way of the way you apply it to the thorny issues that pop up in life. However that’s the essential impulse that comes from a passage like that.

Guthrie: Once we get into chapter 10, are we nonetheless speaking about the identical subject and a few of the similar argument when he says, “All things are lawful, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things build up.” And he talks about doing every part to the glory of God.

Lanier: Yeah, precisely. So 8, 9, and 10 are, form of, this one massive argument, 9 is a bit odd as a result of it appears to be this digression about Paul defending his apostolic credentials. However what he’s doing in 9 is saying, “Even I, as an apostle, have liberty of conscience, to marry or not marry, to take pay for my work or not.” So it does match. It typically looks like a little bit of a digression, nevertheless it really suits with the move. And so, in chapter 10, he undoubtedly is resuming the argument in chapter 8. And so, a few of the key issues, you recognize, he says, “Flee from idolatry,” verse 14. He says while you really religiously take part in a pagan sacrifice that makes it totally different.

He says, we will’t do this as a result of it means you’re changing into, form of, one with the deity. And in contrast, that’s what we do in our personal Lord’s Supper, is we’re taking part. In order that’s the warning. And so, he says, “Look, at the end of the day, verse 20, “I imply that what pagan sacrifice, they offer to demons and not to God, and I don’t want you to be participants with demons.” In order that’s the, form of, bumper within the bowling alley. If it’s going to require you to do this, by way of consuming the meat, then don’t. We draw the road there. You may’t drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons. You may’t combine, proper?

And so in verse 23, then, relying on who you learn. Some argue, after which, like ESV, for example, places it in citation marks. And so, when he says, “All things are lawful,” after which he says it once more, that might be perhaps a citation of them. And that’s one idea, at the very least. After all, we don’t have his punctuation, nevertheless it appears to make some sense. So perhaps they’re saying, “Yes, aren’t all things lawful, we’ve achieved this worldly standing.” He critiques and says, “You already think you’re kings, you already think that you’ve arrived.” And so, perhaps they’re those saying, “Look, we can do anything we want.”

He says, “Okay, on the one hand, some of that’s true,” as a result of he’s already established, like, “Yeah, you do have liberty of conscience,” however not all issues are useful, and never all issues construct up. So the entire thrust is, we’ve liberty of conscience due to the work of Christ, as a result of Christ is the one true God over all issues, and he has delivered us from the powers of darkness, however what restrains our liberty is love for another person and our personal conscience?

Guthrie: And, whether or not you eat or drink or no matter you do, do all to the glory of God.

Lanier: Proper. After which, however the subsequent verse, “Give no offense to Jews, or to Greeks, or to the Church of God.” In order that even goes again. For those who keep in mind again to the chapter 1, 2, three stuff the place he says, “Our behavior needs to be cognizant of people from these different backgrounds, how they think about things. And it’s different for both, but we’re trying to not diminish the gospel in front of the watchful eyes of the world,” principally. The entire thrust is what you do in entrance of different people who find themselves watching issues. And he’s attempting to offer some theological methods to suppose by means of that. What are the restraints on our Christian liberties? How do we predict by means of that?

Guthrie: How does it influence my brother?

Lanier: Yeah.

Guthrie: How does it influence what I’m speaking about belonging to Jesus Christ?

Lanier: Yeah.

Guthrie: We’ve coated a variety of vital issues, however we haven’t even practically hit the laborious stuff. So right here’s what we’re going to do. We’re going to carry this dialog to an in depth, after which we’ll open up in an element two of our dialog about 1 Corinthians. Are you sport for that?

Lanier:It sounds nice.

Guthrie: All proper. Nicely, you’ve been listening to “Help Me Teach the Bible,” a manufacturing of The Gospel Coalition sponsored by Crossway. Crossway is a not for revenue writer of the ESV Bible, Christian books and tracts. Study extra about Crossway’s gospel heart assets at crossway.org.

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