Should a Pastor Leave One Church to Plant Another One?

Ought to a Pastor Go away One Church to Plant One other One?

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Tony Merida: Welcome to Church buildings Planting Church buildings, a podcast on the theology and follow of church planting. I’m your host, Tony Merida. As church planters, we should always make it our prayer to have the ability to say with Paul, “I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself. If only, I may finish my course in the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.”

We’ve all acquired this ministry from the Lord Jesus, specifically to testify to the gospel of God’s grace, and typically testified to God’s nice gospel will imply leaving the church we planted, led, and poured ourselves into. Naturally, this may be very painful, however it’s price it for the sake of God’s glory among the many misplaced. Seeing new church buildings established, and seeing present church buildings revitalized is a good looking factor.

However how will we truly do that? And the way do we all know whether it is certainly proper to go away one church as a way to plant one other church or to steer an present church? At present, I’m excited to have Harvey Turner with me. Harvey has just lately finished this himself. He left the church he planted and led for about 20 years as a way to lead Redeemer Burbank, and he did this in his 40s.

Harvey is the instructing pastor at Redeemer Burbank. And he additionally serves as an Acts 29 US West management workforce quantity. He’s married to Rachel and so they have three youngsters.

Harvey, welcome to the podcast.

Harvey Turner: Yeah. Thanks for having me. Glad to be right here.

Merida: Harvey and I had the good pleasure of assembly one another, what? 10 years in the past, possibly?

Turner: Yeah, one thing like that.

Merida: At Management Community. And he has been an expensive good friend of mine. And as we file this proper now, our wives are literally on the pool hanging out collectively.

Turner: That’s proper. Yeah, you’ve been good friend me, man, and I all the time stay up for seeing you.

Merida: So likewise. Likewise, brother. Harvey, as I discussed, has simply taken on a brand new function. And so we wanna speak about that. I’m actually excited simply to listen to from him and to share his story as a result of on a couple of of the podcasts, we’ve truly touched on this concept of while you plant a church, and also you lead it and it grows, it’s wholesome, it’s established. And a variety of us hit, maybe our 40s, like me and also you, and we’re like, “What do we do now?”

And also you and I’ve had some lengthy conversations about these things. So I’m excited to seize it on the podcast. So why don’t you simply, earlier than we leap into that, inform the listeners about your self, the way you got here to religion and your journey up so far?

Turner: Certain. So, I grew up in Bakersfield, California. We moved to Reno, Nevada after I was 13. After I was rising up, we went to some church buildings sometimes. Oddly, Mennonite and Quaker church buildings. However I didn’t actually perceive the gospel. I imply, I’m positive anyone instructed me the gospel, however I by no means heard it clearly. I didn’t actually consider Christianity as being about Jesus, thought of it extra like guidelines and that type of a factor.

That was my perspective as a youthful child. So after I was rising up in Reno I just about left church behind proper across the time I used to be 15, 16. I wasn’t actually serious about it. I did check out youth group a few occasions however didn’t prefer it. Largely as a result of they didn’t speak about God. They performed video games. And I used to be truly, all the time serious about God, simply I’m not being goofy.

Particularly while you’re a youngster, I used to be all about making an attempt to be cool. So, after I was… So, I performed sports activities and various things however I actually acquired into partying. And I additionally was into music. And I truly rapped a bit of bit, and largely freestyle rapping.

Merida: A battle rapper.

Turner: Yeah. Anyway, that entire scene acquired me into an attention-grabbing crowd. And I used to be not simply doing medicine and partying, however I ended up promoting medicine as effectively. And in regards to the time I used to be 20 I used to be in jail for the third time. And it type of rocked me as a result of I used to be in a jail cell with an actual gangster. After which I used to be…while you exit to get your meals, I used to be realizing I used to be round some folks that had been precise criminals and type of scared me a bit of bit.

And so I keep in mind being in jail calling out to God. After which acquired out of there. And my mother and father had given me a Bible, so I discovered the Bible and I began studying and I didn’t know the place to learn. However there was this rap track by a rapper named E40. And he mentioned, one thing to the impact, “Our father who art in heaven, that’s the prayer that I pray so spread the word. And when you’re feeling down, read Proverbs.”

Now, it’s most likely not the recommendation I might give anyone. However that’s what I did. I flipped open to Proverbs, began studying. Then I began questioning the place Jesus was, discovered the gospels, began studying about him. I used to be fascinated by him. And principally, over the subsequent few months, began going to church, began to… I used to be going to Sunday companies, I used to be going to Bible research each night time of the week that I might go.

I used to be hungry and ended up…you realize, I used to be hungry for the Lord, I feel I’d learn by the Bible within the first three months. And I learn by the New Testomony a few occasions, I used to be simply so hungry. And proper round that point, a month into being a Christian, I simply had a way that I used to be known as to ministry. And in order that’s the nutshell model.

Merida: Our tales are very related. I didn’t go to jail however I did have a really related expertise of deep starvation that was previously not there. And chasing the scene and being cool and all of that. And the Lord, by his grace for his glory modified our lives. And so, reward God, man. So, inform us about how the church then was planted. Lead us as much as that time.

Turner: So I had all these associates that I frolicked with, and so they didn’t know Christ, and so they weren’t serious about coming to church. And truthfully, the church I used to be going to, I used to be fairly positive that if I invited them, they weren’t gonna be into it both. It simply wasn’t for guys that I used to be hanging out with, actually. So I began speaking to them about God, and often whereas they had been partying. And ultimately, I mentioned, “Hey, why don’t we start a Bible study?”

And so we began a Bible research on the occasion home, the place all my associates would get collectively and occasion. And it will be on, I feel, at the moment it was on Wednesday nights. And there could be beer bottles and stuff in every single place. And I feel there was, may need even been a bong on the desk or one thing like that. There was pornography within the toilet. And I’m beginning a Bible research on this home.

And that Bible research, a few these guys grew to become Christians. And one in every of them is now a pastor on the church that I planted in Reno. And so they began inviting their associates. And earlier than lengthy, we had this Bible research 15, 20 guys, most of them, they weren’t Christians. And I simply began strolling by the Gospel of John with them. And each week, simply present them who Jesus is.

Merida: All proper. Let me cease you there. Earlier than you probably did John, although I feel you instructed me earlier than your second week was on Romans 9.

Turner: Yeah, truly. So I used to be a model new, I used to be nonetheless within the cage section of a Calvinist, like Spurgeon says one thing to the impact of like, when anyone turns into a Calvinist, lock him in a cage for some time, let him mature. Effectively, no person locked me in a cage. So the primary week was the gospel. After which the second week, I used to be like, for no matter motive, I used to be speaking with my good friend who we began this Bible research collectively. I used to be like, “Man, I was just so driven by election and I just knew I was elected.” So we went to Romans 9. And what’s nice…

Merida: So what did a bunch of unbelievers say to Romans 9 while you acquired completed?

Turner: Oh, man, it was so loopy. So while you current that to a Christian who’s by no means actually heard it, they’re in a battle. I imply, they’re pulling out all of the stops and the weapons, like all verse, they’ve even heard of that appears like God’s gonna save the entire world, they…all that stuff comes out. However with non-Christians, they don’t know the Bible in any respect. I stroll them by Romans 9, they simply checked out me went, “Well, that’s what it says.” And I mentioned, “That’s right.” No person had any problem with it in any respect.

Merida: That’s fascinating.

Turner: Yeah. Then ultimately, we acquired to the Gospel of John, which had a variety of election in it too.

Merida: Yeah. So by the Gospel of John and that Bible research, as you had been going by it, it grew, proper?

Turner: Yeah.

Merida: Upwards of 100 folks or so?

Turner: Yeah. So what occurred is, it was a guys Bible research, largely evangelistic for a few years. And when you might have unbelievers, persons are out and in, there’s not a variety of consistency. However sooner or later, as a few of these guys began turning into Christians, it began getting extra consistency. After which there was some…you realize, we had been all single, and there have been some younger women that had been wanting to return too.

So we moved it to a different home as a result of we’ve type of outgrown. And although there was a man who was a pastor within the church I used to be a deacon at who had this home that he was, simply come from the mission discipline, and had this home with this large entrance room, with no furnishings in it. “So I don’t have any furniture in this room, you guys could just bring some fold-up chairs and use this room?”

Effectively, we did. And it simply slowly began rising from like 20, 25, 30. We began organising rows of chairs and within the room, after which there was a staircase, and folks would sit up the staircase. After which on the highest of the staircase, there was type of like a glance over balcony type of factor. And other people would sit up there. So one of many nights we had virtually 70 folks on this Bible research, and I spotted I had stopped main a Bible research and I used to be preaching.

Any person gave me a field of John MacArthur tapes, and I might simply take heed to these and go, “Okay, that’s how you do it.” And I might simply do this, and I might simply undergo texts. And I used to be simply preaching with a bit of little bit of dialogue thrown in there. And we maxed this home out. And we had been doing a bit of little bit of music too. We had two guys, one man was studying a guitar, one man was studying the bass, oddly.

After which, they knew about three songs. So we’d do these three songs each week. After which they’d be taught a brand new one. And we had been like, “Oh, we got a new song this week. This is so exciting.” So I went to the pastor of the church the place I used to be a deacon at, and I mentioned, “Look, I think I accidentally started a church.” And it was like, largely younger adults and school college students at that time.

And he mentioned, “Well, why don’t you bring it here to the church building?” At the moment we had been assembly on Friday nights. And I mentioned, “Uh, that’s too big.” He mentioned, “No, I think you should. God is doing something here.” So we introduced us to the church constructing, and so they simply took off from there. And for a short time, we type of functioned as a church inside a church at that church, after which ultimately planted.

And so the church that we planted, it’s known as Dwelling Stones, and it’s in Reno. And we truly planted 4 different Dwelling Stones church buildings in northern Nevada which might be…the mannequin that we had was there have been autonomous congregations, however we had partnered collectively for a number of issues. All of them had their very own elders and management groups and that type of factor.

Merida: So while you, from the Gospel of John, from the primary Bible research to while you determined to go away Dwelling Stones, you had been there roughly 20 years?

Turner: Yeah.

Merida: So that you poured coronary heart and soul into it. It’s the one church you’ve pastored. You’ve skilled guys, you’ve planted different church buildings. You had been a pacesetter within the West Coast Community. And then you definately get so far on sabbatical. However maybe previous to that, ideas in your head about does the Lord have one thing for us subsequent?

Are you able to stroll us by that course of? What that was like? What was in your coronary heart? What was in your soul? Assist guys on the market who’re pondering by related alternatives, attainable transitions?

Turner: Yeah. Effectively, okay. So there’s a few issues. One, most likely for the final 10 years and I feel a variety of church planters have this. Nearly each main metropolis I might go to out, I’d go, “I can plant a church here.” And I might be scoping it out and be pondering it by. However I talked to my spouse about it, and she or he’d say, “You’re crazy.” And it simply type of goes away.

I’d return dwelling to Reno, pastor the church. However I by no means might shake this concept that of planting once more, as a result of main a congregation for lots of years, particularly the congregation that I used to be pastoring was fairly giant, it’s a distinct type of skillset. And I felt like a few of my abilities had been okay in that context, and others of my abilities weren’t. And I simply type of knew I used to be higher at constructing issues up from scratch.

Merida: Are you able to give instance or two of what these abilities are?

Turner: Yeah. I feel that you just… That church planters have, you imply?

Merida: Yeah.

Turner: Effectively, I feel {that a} church planter must be a theologian and must be a preacher, I feel. Since you’re going to a spot the place there isn’t any gospel, and also you at the moment are going to plant the gospel there. And also you’re gonna…and it’s important to truly kind theology round that to construct out a church. And so, these issues I had a starvation for and realized quite a bit in.

After which additionally, I feel, you might have to have the ability to preach. To be able to collect folks, you might have to have the ability to preach. And so these had been a few issues. I feel additionally management growth, that’s all the time one thing that I simply naturally did, is develop others. And so these issues all the time served me effectively.

However as soon as the church acquired bigger, and it actually required anyone who was supervisor, anyone who is actually good at main methods, and constructions, and growing that facet of ministry, and that… I feel I figured issues out as I went alongside. I acquired a variety of recommendation from different folks, however it was by no means a pure factor. And the church planting course of was virtually, it was virtually like, it simply got here naturally to me.

Clearly, I feel that’s a present of the Holy Spirit. And so I all the time type of dreamt about, “Man, it would be great to do that again. It’d be great to, you know, plant again,” as a result of that’s the place I felt like I used to be in my wheelhouse. And main a big congregation, I felt like I used to be simply struggling alongside, and I used to be not thriving. Even my well being was having points as effectively.

Merida: So then, the Burbank alternative got here up, speak to us about that.

Turner: Yeah. So like I mentioned, I’d been fascinated by going to giant cities for a very long time as a result of Reno’s a decent-sized metropolis however not large. And I all the time liked Los Angeles. And I’m an enormous Dodger fan. However I additionally grew up in Bakersfield a few hours exterior of Los Angeles. So I used to be all the time fascinated with Los Angeles.

And I heard about this case at Redeemer Burbank, and it was throughout a time frame the place I actually felt like God was inviting me to think about one thing else. And I didn’t know what to do with that at the beginning, however I used to be simply praying about it. Me and my spouse, Rachel, had been simply praying about it. And I used to be speaking to a couple of my mentors about it. And one in every of my mentors let me learn about Redeemer Burbank needing a pastor.

And so this case is an older Baptist Church that merged with an Acts 29 church. The pastor transitioned after which, they had been with out a pastor for a while. So it is a… They’ve a constructing proper there in Burbank. There was a core group of about 70, 80 adults. And this constructing sits throughout the road from Disney Studios. And an incredible location, nice scenario, proper there in the course of Los Angeles.

And I believed, “Man if I ever plant again, that’s a great situation.” The quarter, able to go, hungry, able to be led, and a constructing. In order that was one factor, you realize, planting once more, replanting this church in my 40s. There have been some issues I didn’t wanna do once more.

Merida: Like begin from scratch?

Turner: Yeah, begin from scratch, arrange, tear down, like all of that.

Merida: You assume like an power degree is completely different?

Turner: Completely. Yeah, my power is simply not the identical. And I’ve to be actually sensible with the place I put my power nowadays. And so yeah.

Merida: Speak to us about what you left. What was the toughest factor about leaving Dwelling Stones?

Turner: I might say the folks, the relationships, the relationships I had with the pastors, the elders, the household of church buildings that we had established, all of the lead pastors of these church buildings, I dearly love, after which simply town. We’d spent a variety of time actually investing into town and attending to know folks.

And I knew enterprise house owners, and I knew politicians, folks everywhere in the metropolis. I made all these connections. And so I might actually simply say it comes all the way down to folks. I actually had a love for lots of people, after which additionally these folks and the placement. And I had poured 20 years of my life into this factor. And so yeah.

Merida: What was the influence on your loved ones? How did you search to incorporate your spouse and children within the choice?

Turner: Yeah. So after I first began to hope about it, I had the sense that, as I used to be praying that over the course of some months, that God was inviting me to do one thing completely different. After which my work in Reno was, it was time to be finished with that and move that on to anyone else. So I went to Rachel and I let her know. And she or he knew in me this sort of like, this was all the time popping up.

And she or he thought it was simply one other a type of occasions, however then I got here again with the particular of Redeemer Burbank. And at first, she mentioned, “Nope. No way.” As a result of we’re linked and my youngsters are at school. She’s very linked within the metropolis and the faculties and issues like that. And we had a variety of evangelistic relationships that we had been nonetheless engaged on. And she or he simply was like, “No manner. And so she prayed about it.

She didn’t actually inform me, she simply mentioned no. However she began praying about it. And so I mentioned, “All right, Lord. If this is a view, then somehow you’re gonna have to show her.” So I didn’t say something to her. Per week later, we went out on a date. It was simply me and her and she or he says, “I need to tell you something.” And the way in which she mentioned it, I used to be like, “Oh, oh.” And she or he mentioned, “Yeah, I’ve been praying about it all weekend, I think we’re supposed to go to LA.”

And I used to be simply going, “Wow, really?” And so we spent the remainder of that night speaking it by and praying. And I went on sabbatical throughout this time period. And one in every of my associates and mentors, Brian Howard, inspired me. He mentioned, “You need to take a month and pray.” And so we had been planning on going to Hawaii for my sabbatical, some Acts 29 church buildings there have been very beneficiant and set us up with some housing and issues.

So we went there. And principally, I spent 34 days in Hawaii, not a foul place to hope about one thing. And I simply prayed every single day. Bought up every single day and simply prayed, requested the Lord for route. And by the top of that point interval, I knew that it was… God was calling us to do it. So, Rachel and I simply prayed collectively, conversated collectively, started speaking to our youngsters about it.

Ultimately introduced it to the elders of Dwelling Stones. They affirmed it. All of the elders of all of the church buildings that we had planted, the 5 church buildings got here collectively. I feel there was virtually 30 males within the room and so they unanimously determined to bless us and ship us.

Merida: It’s superior man. And clearly, the church was in place. There was wholesome and good leaders in place. You weren’t leaving a foul scenario, which actually makes it…it makes it a particular story to me. And it additionally makes it laborious to go away while you’re not leaving drama. Clearly, all church buildings have some drama, however it was scenario. However the Lord was drawing you to this new work, man. Similar mission.

However I feel by way of follow, we be taught quite a bit by the years. At Redeemer Burbank, I’m actually serious about the way you’ll reply this query. What’s going to you or are you doing in another way? What’s going to you do in another way? Or what are you doing in another way than you…you probably did in your earlier years? And it might be nothing however I’d love to listen to.

Turner: Yeah. No, there’s undoubtedly some issues I’m doing in another way. I feel endurance, I’ve extra endurance now and to let issues develop. And I feel, in my early years of planting as a younger man, I pressured my will on a variety of issues. And sometimes was in a position to get these issues finished. However typically within the course of, I wasn’t very variety to folks in the way in which that I might have been.

So I feel I’m not as a lot in a rush. The truth is, the folks within the church are extra in a rush than me at Redeemer. They’re simply type of like, “When are we gonna do this?” And I’m going, “Hey, we’ll get to that. We’ll get to that.” And I’m making an attempt to put sure groundwork proper now, after which get to another sensible later. So I feel endurance is an enormous one. I feel additionally, a variety of what I did in ministry is as a result of I noticed different folks doing it, I might have conversations with folks.

I might go to issues like, you realize, issues that we’d been at collectively and be taught from different mentors and pastors, and then you definately go dwelling, and also you implement these issues in your church. However now that I’ve been across the block, I type of know what I feel and what I imagine and what I wish to do.

And I’m constructing out a distinct kind of discipleship construction than I had all the time constructed out prior to now as a result of I noticed that there was some gaps within the discipleship construction that, truthfully, most Acts 29 church buildings run.

And so I’m constructing it out slower with extra endurance, much more intention, quite a bit much less reactive, and much more planning and intention this time. After which what I mentioned in regards to the power can be true. As a result of I don’t have as a lot power, and I’ve to particularly make investments myself every week within the issues which might be, I feel, what the church wants now.

Merida: That’s good. That’s actually good. I wanna comply with up on a few issues there. One, the endurance made me consider what Steve Timmis has mentioned just lately, that as an previous man, and he’s a a lot, a lot older than you and me.

Turner: He’s actually.

Merida: He’s actually previous. He mentioned he’s realized to play the lengthy sport as an previous man. The place when he was a younger man, he didn’t. That wasn’t his default, to play the lengthy sport. And I can actually resonate with that, I’m way more affected person than I was. The hole in discipleship course of, that’s a really attention-grabbing assertion. What would possibly one or two of these be that you just actually wanna see occur at Redeemer Burbank?

Turner: Effectively, I feel that in Acts 29, we’ve got our convictions round gospel centrality, the sovereignty of God, and people issues. After which we’re additionally very activistic. It’s a bunch of church planters. And so we go from the theology to the activism straight away. And I feel typically we mobilize earlier than we catechize. So we begin sending folks out into the misplaced world with out instructing them the religion.

And so I feel this manner, this time round, I’m gonna put much more intention on the entrance finish of catechizing folks, catechizing the entire church, earlier than we ship out. And so the mannequin that I’m utilizing, and I don’t assume the mannequin is the vital half. I feel the vital half is catechizing earlier than you mobilize. However the mannequin that I feel I wanna use is a course of that doesn’t go simply…

We now have this course of in a variety of Acts 29 church buildings, you’ve acquired Sunday gatherings, after which you might have group teams and missional communities or no matter you might have, gospel communities. And that’s an enormous leap for unbelievers to make. They arrive on Sunday, they meet Jesus, after which it’s like, “Now you need to go to somebody’s house and get in a circle.” Man, it’s like, “Wow, that’s a huge jump.”

After which we ship them into that in a dialog type of setting once they haven’t even realized the fundamentals of the religion. So I feel I wanna construct a course of that has catechism as an in-between that may function each a management growth device to show folks theology, do some theological growth. After which additionally, it would educate folks the fundamentals of the religion in order that once they do get into one in every of these communities, smaller communities, they’ve some gear to work with as effectively. So I feel that that’s… I’ll let you know the way it goes.

Merida: Extra comply with up on that. Will you educate that or is that?

Turner: Mm-mm.

Merida: Okay. So that you’re gonna do, you’re gonna make investments your time. We now have restricted power as previous guys. So preaching and that type of discipleship…

Turner: Precisely.

Merida: …piece.

Turner: Yeah, I feel that that’s… That’s one other factor I realized about.

Merida: What does that appear like? Is it within the midweek?

Turner: Yeah. What I’m gonna do is I’m most likely gonna do, so I’ll preach within the morning, after which, you realize, I’m at a church now. For the previous a number of years I used to be preaching three, 4 companies a Sunday. Now I simply preach one.

Merida: It’s superb.

Turner: For those who simply preach one, I’m like, “Now, what do I do?” So I feel what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna do like, service, some type of lunch type of factor a few occasions a month. After which catechism. I’m gonna use the New Metropolis Catechism. I wanna use the Heidelberg catechism, however the language is a bit of… So I’m most likely gonna use the New Metropolis Catechism and simply start doing that.

And I really feel like that’s use of my time as a result of that’s the place I’m gifted and I really feel like I may be essentially the most assist to folks. And I feel that there’s one other piece to it too that I feel we don’t speak about sufficient, is pastoral presence. Particularly while you’re preaching, you’re planting, you’re doing all these items, folks actually need our presence. They not solely want our instructing, they want our…

There’s one thing that occurs after we’re within the presence of one other one who’s godly, and we take in issues that we don’t take in different methods. And anyone who’s extra mature within the religion, I don’t learn about you, I don’t keep in mind as a younger Christian hungering to be across the folks that had been mature within the religion. I simply wished to see how they did life and the way they… And so I wanna try to get as a lot of my presence to folks as attainable.

Merida: Did you’re feeling like that was an impossibility at Dwelling Stones?

Turner: Yeah. As a result of…

Merida: Did the space actually influence you?

Turner: Sure.

Merida: Emotionally, psychologically?

Turner: Yeah. I really feel like that was a part of the journey, is I feel I’m a pastor. And I’m not a CEO of a posh group, which is what Dwelling Stones grew to become. And the man that’s gonna take my place at Dwelling Stones is significantly better at these kinds of issues.

Merida: Good work, man. It’s good work. What sort of groundwork you mentioned you’re laying proper now on the church? So let’s speak to the man who’s, he’s younger, he’s a planter, however he’s gonna discover himself in the same place in 10, 15 years or no matter, or possibly guys are there proper now? What’s a few of that groundwork you’re laying and assist us assume?

Turner: So if anyone, they’re ultimately gonna transition in 15, 20 years, I feel that what I realized is that this. Management growth, giving that pastoral presence, particularly Paul talks about, “Entrust these things to the faithful so they’ll be able to teach others also.” In search of these folks and investing in them. And a part of the rationale why I’m in a position to go away Dwelling Stones in a wholesome place is as a result of I invested quite a bit in management growth over time.

So we did issues like 6 within the morning, Pastor Faculty. We’re going by “Lectures To My Students” by Spurgeon. And we’re going by all these completely different books and theology, and I’m instructing them the best way to preach and that type of factor. I did a preaching cohort. Attention-grabbing, the final couple of years, I invested quite a bit in preachers, not even understanding I used to be leaving, however I simply invested in growing preachers the final couple of years.

Different issues I might have… I’d have lunch on Thursday for males who weren’t in full-time ministry, that had been businessmen and that type of factor, and I might simply put money into them from a management perspective. Effectively, now a variety of these males have gotten elders at Dwelling Stones. So, management growth, management growth, management growth, all through all these years put me in a spot the place I might transition with out hurting the church, I feel.

Merida: Harvey Turner, Pastor of Redeemer Burbank, and one in every of my greatest associates. We acquired to spend, we even celebrated our birthdays this previous yr collectively.

Turner: Yeah, man.

Merida: We acquired to get that again on the calendar.

Turner: That’s proper. We acquired to return to Wittenberg.

Merida: We’ve acquired to, we’ve acquired to. Among the finest occasions of my life was Harvey and I led a bit of tour of Wittenberg, which was epic. So thanks for being on the podcast, brother. The listeners can comply with you guys. You’ve got an internet site at Redeemer Burbank?

Turner: Yeah. Rebuilding the web site proper now, however sure. Bought an internet site after which I’m on all of the social media stuff too.

Merida: Tremendous, man. Thanks for giving us a while.

Turner: All proper, man. Thanks.

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